49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

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Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X X X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O O X . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X O . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . O X . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O O O X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . X O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . O . B O . X , X . O X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Now the corner has a lot of aji.


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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X X X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O O X . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X O . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . O X . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O O O X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . X O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . 4 9 . X . . . . . . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . 3 O . X O . X , X . O X . , O . . |
$$ | . . 1 2 8 X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . 7 5 6 . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

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Joaz Banbeck wrote:@Violence:
Have you counted recently? And, if so, who is ahead?

I've never been good at counting. It just feels nice right now, that's all.

Conservatively estimating, White has around 60 points right now, including komi, to me.

I think that getting more than 60 points feels like an easy task. I have about 10 points on the top, so that's 50 that I have to make with this moyo.

Why am I so optimistic?
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Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X X X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O O X . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X O . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . O X . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O O O X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . X O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . O . X O . X , X . O X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . W . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

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My move will come tomorrow.

Yep, it's official. He's either on tilt, or lost his mind.

Whenever a player gets into this state, they are their own worst enemy. I don't even have to do anything except not fail miserably.
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Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X X X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O O X . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X O . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . O X . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O O O X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . X O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X X . |
$$ | . . . a . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . O . X O . X , X . O X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . B O . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Only move? I think any other way would be considered too submissive. At least if not this, then at most a large tenuki move(possibly around the a area here?) would be the right "attitude". I'm not entirely sure what magicwand's move is supposed to be.. Is it a typo? Either way, no matter which way white responds here, it is clearly superior for black.
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Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

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ketchup wrote:
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X X X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O O X . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X O . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . O X . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O O O X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . X O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X X . |
$$ | . . . a . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . O . X O . X , X . O X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . B O . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Only move? I think any other way would be considered too submissive. At least if not this, then at most a large tenuki move(possibly around the a area here?) would be the right "attitude". I'm not entirely sure what magicwand's move is supposed to be.. Is it a typo? Either way, no matter which way white responds here, it is clearly superior for black.


Seems like the only move, though I suppose there's also this,

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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X X X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O O X . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X O . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . O X . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O O O X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . X O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X X . |
$$ | . . . a . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . O . X O . X , X . O X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . B . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think that's jumping the shark a bit though, so I'd go with yours.
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Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X X X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O O X . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X O . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . O X . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O O O X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . X O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . O . X O . X , X . O X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . B O . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think this is the only move. He's already lost points doing this, I wonder what he's trying to do?
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Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

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I'm very curious to see how Magicwand handles this situation. The move he played is clearly bad for him. Was he expecting this?

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X X X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O O X . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X O . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . O X . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O O O X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . X O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . O . X O . X , X . O X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X 3 . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . 2 O 1 . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

If so, that would be extremely condescending on White's part - but this is the only good possibility that White could have expected out of his move.
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Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

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Probably aims to live on the bottom somehow. If (6) must be answered at (7) then white would _almost_ starting to look alive. I don't see life happening though, but this must be approximately what white is planning.

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X X X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O O X . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X O . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . O X . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O O O X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . X O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . O . X O . X 7 X . O X 5 , O . . |
$$ | . . . 3 . X . . . 6 8 . . 4 . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 O 2 . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

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Kie wrote:
Probably aims to live on the bottom somehow. If (6) must be answered at (7) then white would _almost_ starting to look alive. I don't see life happening though, but this must be approximately what white is planning.

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X X X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O O X . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X O . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . O X . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O O O X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . X O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . O . X O . X 7 X . O X 5 , O . . |
$$ | . . . 3 . X . . . 6 8 . . 4 . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 O 2 . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

In the unlikely case that white actually lives on the bottom, black still gets a center, and white loses the corner and probably the side as well...
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X X X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O O X . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X O . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . O X . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O O O X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . X O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . O . X O . X , X . O X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . W . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X X X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . O O O O X . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . X O . O X O X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O . O O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . . O X . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . O O O X X . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . X O O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . O X O . O . |
$$ | . . . O . X O . X , X . O X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O B . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
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Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

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Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
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