Should I have lost?

barraktu · Post by **barraktu** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:14 am

EdLee wrote: "Probably because some players cut you into pieces and you died many horrible deaths ?"
That made me chuckle by it truthfulness.
B would hane at — and then ?
$$B :b1: tenuki
$$ ---------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O X . . . . . .
$$ | . . O X . . . . . ,
$$ | . O X 4 6 . . . . .
$$ | . O X 5 . . . . . .
$$ | . . 2 3 . . . . . .
$$ | . . 8 7 . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . , . . . . . ,
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B :b1: tenuki $$ --------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . O X . . . . . . $$ | . . O X . . . . . , $$ | . O X 4 6 . . . . . $$ | . O X 5 . . . . . . $$ | . . 2 3 . . . . . . $$ | . . 8 7 . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . , . . . . . , $$ | . . . . . . . . . .[/go]

Would it be something like this?

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 2:39 am

W would double-hane at

— and then ?

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$B :b1: tenuki $$ --------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . O X . . . . . . $$ | . . O X . . . . . , $$ | . O X . . . . . . . $$ | . O X . . . . . . . $$ | . . 2 3 . . . . . . $$ | . . . 4 . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . , . . . . . , $$ | . . . . . . . . . .[/go]

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 2:44 am

barraktu wrote:That made me chuckle by it truthfulness.

Isn't it interesting how much one can tell about a person from just two moves —

connect in post 1; and

connect in post 14.

Uberdude · Post by **Uberdude** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 3:06 am

It's so bad to allow white the hane at 2 I'm not sure what's best, but this falling back might be better shape.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$B :b1: tenuki $$ --------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . O X . . . . . . $$ | . . O X . . . . . , $$ | . O X . . . . . . . $$ | . O X . 3 . . . . . $$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . , . . . . . , $$ | . . . . . . . . . .[/go]

barraktu · Post by **barraktu** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 8:20 am

It would seem that the best move is to simply follow the joseki rather than deal with the consequences of trying to be fancy.

Bill Spight · Post by **Bill Spight** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 8:48 am

barraktu wrote:
EdLee wrote: "Probably because some players cut you into pieces and you died many horrible deaths ?"
That made me chuckle by it truthfulness.
B would hane at — and then ?
$$B :b1: tenuki
$$ ---------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O X . . . . . .
$$ | . . O X . . . . . ,
$$ | . O X 4 6 . . . . .
$$ | . O X 5 . . . . . .
$$ | . . 2 3 . . . . . .
$$ | . . 8 7 . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . , . . . . . ,
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B :b1: tenuki $$ --------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . O X . . . . . . $$ | . . O X . . . . . , $$ | . O X 4 6 . . . . . $$ | . O X 5 . . . . . . $$ | . . 2 3 . . . . . . $$ | . . 8 7 . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . , . . . . . , $$ | . . . . . . . . . .[/go]
Would it be something like this?

If

then

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$B :b1: tenuki $$ --------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . 8 . . . . . . $$ | . . O X . . . . . . $$ | . . O X . . . . . , $$ | . O X 4 6 . . . . . $$ | . O X 5 . . . . . . $$ | . . 2 3 . . . . . . $$ | . . . 7 . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . , . . . . . , $$ | . . . . . . . . . .[/go]

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 1:27 pm

barraktu wrote:It would seem that the best move is to simply follow the joseki rather than deal with the consequences of trying to be fancy.

The whole point of these exercises is to help understand the meanings
behind each joseki move, instead of following them blindly by memorization.
So we play out the consequences if either side deviates from the joseki.

This all started from the original solid connect

in the game.
To understand why this is not joseki, we study the joseki
This is what it means to study a joseki:
homework, then actual combat in real games,
then back to homework, rinse and repeat.

All this just for one move,

, and we're far from finished —
there are still many more variations.

To seriously improve at Go is hard work.
(To play casually and just enjoy the game and friends is very different. )

Uberdude · Post by **Uberdude** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 1:38 pm

Btw I still can't see the original game.

barraktu · Post by **barraktu** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 1:50 pm

Bill Spight wrote:
barraktu wrote:
EdLee wrote: "Probably because some players cut you into pieces and you died many horrible deaths ?"
That made me chuckle by it truthfulness.
B would hane at — and then ?
$$B :b1: tenuki
$$ ---------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O X . . . . . .
$$ | . . O X . . . . . ,
$$ | . O X 4 6 . . . . .
$$ | . O X 5 . . . . . .
$$ | . . 2 3 . . . . . .
$$ | . . 8 7 . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . , . . . . . ,
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B :b1: tenuki $$ --------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . O X . . . . . . $$ | . . O X . . . . . , $$ | . O X 4 6 . . . . . $$ | . O X 5 . . . . . . $$ | . . 2 3 . . . . . . $$ | . . 8 7 . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . , . . . . . , $$ | . . . . . . . . . .[/go]
Would it be something like this?
If then

$$B :b1: tenuki
$$ ---------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . 8 . . . . . .
$$ | . . O X . . . . . .
$$ | . . O X . . . . . ,
$$ | . O X 4 6 . . . . .
$$ | . O X 5 . 9 . . . .
$$ | . . 2 3 . . . . . .
$$ | . . . 7 . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . , . . . . . ,
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B :b1: tenuki $$ --------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . 8 . . . . . . $$ | . . O X . . . . . . $$ | . . O X . . . . . , $$ | . O X 4 6 . . . . . $$ | . O X 5 . 9 . . . . $$ | . . 2 3 . . . . . . $$ | . . . 7 . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . , . . . . . , $$ | . . . . . . . . . .[/go]

Those two stones of mine on D4 look dead. I think if I abandon them now I won't lose as many points as trying to save them would.

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 1:58 pm

barraktu wrote:Those two stones of mine on D4 look dead. I think if I abandon them now I won't lose as many points as trying to save them would.

The coordinate is D16. You can add a letter 'c' to enable coordinates:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc :b1: tenuki $$ --------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . . 8 . . . . . . $$ | . . O B . . . . . . $$ | . . O B . . . . . , $$ | . O X 4 6 . . . . . $$ | . O X 5 . 9 . . . . $$ | . . 2 3 . . . . . . $$ | . . . 7 . . . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . .[/go]

In this case, the two

stones are "cutting stones," —
they are important stones, with an important function —
and the loss of them would be bigger than the apparent 4 points.

This means

was probably a mistake.
( This may be difficult for you, so just get an idea. )

barraktu · Post by **barraktu** » Wed Aug 20, 2014 12:47 am

Alright I'll ponder this all over for a while, especially the mistake I made at

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