Fujisawa Rina captures Women's Honinbo

ez4u · Post by **ez4u** » Fri Nov 07, 2014 6:21 am

Fujisawa beat Mukai Chiaki in game 3 on Friday, November 7th to take the title 3-0. At 16 years and 1 month, she is the youngest ever winner of this title, easily surpassing Xie Yimin's previous record of 17 years 11 months. This is Fujisawa's second major title of the year after the Aidu Cup, which she won in June.

judicata · Post by **judicata** » Fri Nov 07, 2014 11:18 am

Could someone post an sgf, if they have it? I couldn't find it.

oren · Post by **oren** » Fri Nov 07, 2014 11:34 am

Here you go

Elom · Post by **Elom** » Sat Nov 08, 2014 2:58 am

It's one of the calmest games of Igodou I've ever seen XD good learning material for me. Considering her age, her strength growth seems to be strikingly similar to a korean top proffesionals. It seems Japan would have another (world class) top player in a couple of years ;-)

(NHK Cup, watch out fo a second time!)

ps: when white moved into the upper right, blacl gained a lot of influence, wasn't that a bit too much influence :scratch:

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Uberdude · Post by **Uberdude** » Sat Nov 08, 2014 5:38 pm

What is Igodou, other than an attempt to appear superior through use of fancy foreign language?

P.S. I don't think top Koreans will be worrying much yet seeing as this was a female only competition so has a significantly weaker field. Nevertheless well done Fujisawa.

Elom · Post by **Elom** » Mon Nov 10, 2014 6:33 am

Uberdude wrote:What is Igodou, other than an attempt to appear superior through use of fancy foreign language?

P.S. I don't think top Koreans will be worrying much yet seeing as this was a female only competition so has a significantly weaker field. Nevertheless well done Fujisawa.

Yep, what else would it be

haha, actually, because the game was so peaceful, and since changing "jitsu" to "dou" is a well known tradition of naming a more "serene" version of a martial art (jitsu = "technique", dou = "way of", JU-jitsu, JU-dou, AKI-jitsu, AKI-dou, etc.), and since I consider Igo a martial art,

Whoops! I meant "strongest female players". Of course there are many players who were stronger than Fujisawa 3p at 16 (Choi Jung, for example,)
but the growth rate of her strength indicates a possibility of becoming a top female player (in a global perspective, not just Japan) rivalling Xie 6p (winning the female honinbo is still no joke, especially at this age

) and since Japan has only 1 top professional (globally) and lot's of near-top-pro players , that's what I meant about the NHK Cup.

Ellyster · Post by **Ellyster** » Wed Nov 19, 2014 9:00 pm

Elom wrote:
Uberdude wrote:What is Igodou, other than an attempt to appear superior through use of fancy foreign language?

P.S. I don't think top Koreans will be worrying much yet seeing as this was a female only competition so has a significantly weaker field. Nevertheless well done Fujisawa.

Yep, what else would it be haha, actually, because the game was so peaceful, and since changing "jitsu" to "dou" is a well known tradition of naming a more "serene" version of a martial art (jitsu = "technique", dou = "way of", JU-jitsu, JU-dou, AKI-jitsu, AKI-dou, etc.), and since I consider Igo a martial art,

Actually, 道 (Dō) is not only for martial arts, that's a common misconception. It true that it means literally "Way of"/"Path", although it is used in this context with the English meaning "Art" (not necessarily artistic, but as skill/craft).

The ones that you mention Ju-do, Aiki-do, Karate-do, Ken-do, Kyu-do,... are the Gendai budō (現代武道) or Modern martial art (lit. 現 now/current, 代 era, 武 martial, 道 art/path). But the origin is related to the meditation in Buddhist religion in Japan, as thinks that were learn, practiced and mastered in the Dojo (the meditation room in the Buddhist monastery)... since patiently mastering something by doing it repetitively and improving all details until achieving absolute perfection was the way of getting enlighten (a way to nirvana). Regardless if it was Zen meditation, Tea ceremony, Go or Martial arts.

Lot of things were practiced, and it started taking the meaning of art/craft so it is used widely... Sa-do (The art of Tea ceremony), Sho-do (The art of calligraph), Ii-do (The art of medicine, Ka-do (The art of flower arrangement), Ka-do (The art of tanka poetry), Ga-do (The art of painting)... or even in new words like Ski-do (The Japanese way of skiing).

So the use of Igo-do is actually correct by it self (not being martial related), for example:
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm24086214

tapir · Post by **tapir** » Fri Nov 21, 2014 8:55 am

ez4u wrote:Fujisawa beat Mukai Chiaki in game 3 on Friday, November 7th to take the title 3-0. At 16 years and 1 month, she is the youngest ever winner of this title, easily surpassing Xie Yimin's previous record of 17 years 11 months. This is Fujisawa's second major title of the year after the Aidu Cup, which she won in June.

This makes me sad for Mukai Chiaki. She spent years chasing the title and challenging Xie Yimin and now a teenager snatches it from her after only one year. :cry:

Elom · Post by **Elom** » Tue Nov 25, 2014 11:10 am

Ellyster wrote:
Elom wrote:
Uberdude wrote:What is Igodou, other than an attempt to appear superior through use of fancy foreign language?

P.S. I don't think top Koreans will be worrying much yet seeing as this was a female only competition so has a significantly weaker field. Nevertheless well done Fujisawa.

Yep, what else would it be haha, actually, because the game was so peaceful, and since changing "jitsu" to "dou" is a well known tradition of naming a more "serene" version of a martial art (jitsu = "technique", dou = "way of", JU-jitsu, JU-dou, AKI-jitsu, AKI-dou, etc.), and since I consider Igo a martial art,

Actually, 道 (Dō) is not only for martial arts, that's a common misconception. It true that it means literally "Way of"/"Path", although it is used in this context with the English meaning "Art" (not necessarily artistic, but as skill/craft).

The ones that you mention Ju-do, Aiki-do, Karate-do, Ken-do, Kyu-do,... are the Gendai budō (現代武道) or Modern martial art (lit. 現 now/current, 代 era, 武 martial, 道 art/path). But the origin is related to the meditation in Buddhist religion in Japan, as thinks that were learn, practiced and mastered in the Dojo (the meditation room in the Buddhist monastery)... since patiently mastering something by doing it repetitively and improving all details until achieving absolute perfection was the way of getting enlighten (a way to nirvana). Regardless if it was Zen meditation, Tea ceremony, Go or Martial arts.

Lot of things were practiced, and it started taking the meaning of art/craft so it is used widely... Sa-do (The art of Tea ceremony), Sho-do (The art of calligraph), Ii-do (The art of medicine, Ka-do (The art of flower arrangement), Ka-do (The art of tanka poetry), Ga-do (The art of painting)... or even in new words like Ski-do (The Japanese way of skiing).

So the use of Igo-do is actually correct by it self (not being martial related), for example:
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm24086214

Interesting, thanks for the information. Actually, the similar character 進 in the name 進藤 in similar in meaning (進=to advance 道=path/way)

Rowen · Post by **Rowen** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 7:15 am

This is very interesting and she is a young player (from my point of view anyway). I wish games like this we could watch a video of, I love watching matches.

oren · Post by **oren** » Wed Nov 26, 2014 12:21 pm

Rowen wrote:This is very interesting and she is a young player (from my point of view anyway). I wish games like this we could watch a video of, I love watching matches.

She'll have to work her way into the NHK matches. Right now she does the reading of the moves.

I don't see her in Ryusei matches yet either.

trout · Post by **trout** » Mon Dec 08, 2014 12:43 am

Fujisawa Rina defeated Kono Rin by resign. Amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!

tapir · Post by **tapir** » Mon Dec 08, 2014 3:55 am

oren wrote:She'll have to work her way into the NHK matches. Right now she does the reading of the moves.

Women title holders are qualified (NHK qualification is by titles and prize winning), so next year she will be in the cup. (http://www.nihonkiin.or.jp/match/nhk/index-e.html)

xed_over · Post by **xed_over** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 10:35 am

I count this game as only B+4.5 (not the reported B+5.5).
What am I missing?

macelee · Post by **macelee** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 1:35 pm

xed_over wrote:I count this game as only B+4.5 (not the reported B+5.5).
What am I missing?

C5 isn't a point for white. This is a general problem with Japanese games where they normally don't fill dame moves.

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