#243, Violence vs. Loons

Loons · Post by **Loons** » Sun Nov 23, 2014 4:21 pm

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'a' and 'b' seem like the next directions, with 'a' being more interesting. I tentatively expect :b51:

. I need to resist flexibly to use my thickness, perhaps 'y', perhaps 'z'. What about one space above 'y'?

Violence · Post by **Violence** » Thu Nov 27, 2014 3:34 am

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Uberdude · Post by **Uberdude** » Thu Nov 27, 2014 4:32 am

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White can actually capture at a and the corner doesn't die as z is atari, but black gets f in sente which is nice yose and makes any white invasion of the left side nigh on impossible. But I would probably defend on the corner side as I don't see black achieving much on the lower side. And I really don't like 53 for 54 making white stronger, and if white can atari at y and black connects that is so sad. So I'm not convinced this is a good move by black.

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Thu Nov 27, 2014 7:47 am

How about the response at G2?

White 2 at G4 doesn't work:

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White 2 at G5 is complicated:

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I'm not sure who is better here.

Uberdude · Post by **Uberdude** » Thu Nov 27, 2014 7:58 am

@Joaz

Loons · Post by **Loons** » Thu Nov 27, 2014 5:25 pm

My fighting spirit tells me he's trying to give me the run around.

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After

for 'a', something like 'b' seems to have gotten better. I do have a kind of dopey connection like 'l'.

Anyway, I feel like I should immediately try and rip up the left in response. Hyperbolically speaking, surely.

Also I still have top to aim at.

Loons · Post by **Loons** » Fri Nov 28, 2014 2:09 pm

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Loons · Post by **Loons** » Sun Nov 30, 2014 8:24 pm

Uberdude · Post by **Uberdude** » Mon Dec 01, 2014 4:25 am

@Loons

Loons · Post by **Loons** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 12:25 am

Violence · Post by **Violence** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 4:14 pm

Hey guys, it's finals week and I don't really have time to spare. Gimme a week or two for this, sorry.

Loons · Post by **Loons** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 9:19 pm

Totally understand. Good luck!

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 10:14 pm

Uberdude wrote:
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White can actually capture at a and the corner doesn't die as z is atari, but black gets f in sente which is nice yose and makes any white invasion of the left side nigh on impossible. But I would probably defend on the corner side as I don't see black achieving much on the lower side. And I really don't like 53 for 54 making white stronger, and if white can atari at y and black connects that is so sad. So I'm not convinced this is a good move by black.

"White can actually capture at a and the corner doesn't die as z is atari"

I'm not sure this is 100% true. At least, it's hard to say that black cannot achieve profit when white captures at 'a'.

For example:

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Here, white has a few options. If he plays the atari at 'z'...

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From here, black has two choices. If he has a lot of ko threats (not sure that's the case right now), he can play this way, which has risk if white wins the ko:

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If white wins the ko, black's damage is pretty big, though. So black can opt for a 2-step ko:

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So if white starts out with atari at 'z', it ends in some sort of ko.

If white starts out by connecting on the first line...

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White's influence is increased and he gains two stones, but black's corner profit is also large. It may be a feasible strategy.

Still, like you said, white might be fine just blocking the corner side, because black seems disadvantaged if he tries to make something on the bottom:

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Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Thu Dec 04, 2014 10:19 pm

This is an interesting game. At the moment, I slightly prefer white. I feel they have similar count in points, but white's potential seems greater at the moment to me.

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Black - around 53 points
White - around 47 + komi. Maybe black can find an effective move on the bottom, but it seems difficult.

The marked white stones seem to have greater potential than the marked black ones...

So I feel slightly better for white...

Still early, of course.

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