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Offline Jonas
 Post subject: Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)
Post #41 Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 6:12 am 
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To Magicwand:

Magicwand wrote:
my group on top right is safe from attack because of a or b meiai.
now let me think how he will answer my attack.
if c: then d
if e: then f
(edit: above points are not final..i am just brainstroming points. i will start to read seriously after his move and make my final decision)
he can try to stablize by attaching to my stone ...but i dont think he will get good result out of that. it's very kyuish.
for whatever happens ...my last move is pretty good move that spilts the white group. i think is was pretty big mistake for him to give me such point.
if he happens to tenuki "g" will be a good point of attack.
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . b . . X . . a . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . d . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . c . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . g . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . e . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . f . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



Will you play the exchange 2-3 or are you going to attack whites triangle directly if he first plays 2?
If I were playing White I#d like to try something like this or capping directly without the shoulderhit (4) at 6:

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . 3 . . X . . 2 . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . d . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . 6 5 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . e . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . f . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)
Post #42 Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 6:32 am 
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Jonas wrote:
To Magicwand:

Magicwand wrote:
my group on top right is safe from attack because of a or b meiai.
now let me think how he will answer my attack.
if c: then d
if e: then f
(edit: above points are not final..i am just brainstroming points. i will start to read seriously after his move and make my final decision)
he can try to stablize by attaching to my stone ...but i dont think he will get good result out of that. it's very kyuish.
for whatever happens ...my last move is pretty good move that spilts the white group. i think is was pretty big mistake for him to give me such point.
if he happens to tenuki "g" will be a good point of attack.
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . b . . X . . a . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . d . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . c . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . g . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . e . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . f . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



Will you play the exchange 2-3 or are you going to attack whites triangle directly if he first plays 2?
If I were playing White I#d like to try something like this or capping directly without the shoulderhit (4) at 6:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . 3 . . X . . 2 . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . d . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . 6 5 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . e . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . f . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i was thinking to attack first.. i dont think he can take my corner because of my attack which is more urgent and bigger.
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . 2 . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . d . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . e . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . f . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Bill Spight
 Post subject: Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)
Post #43 Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 7:19 am 
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SoDesuNe wrote:
Bill Spight wrote:
Magicwand wrote:
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


let me split him...and he will be in serious trouble.


And that's why. (I don't know about serious trouble, though. ;) )

And I might play further from White's wall. White has room for a play at "a".

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I prefer this for White's previous play.



Note #13 is unhidden now. :)




Hmm, I think this is not inconsistent with Violence's I don't want to focus on territory. Backing off here would result in Black playing S7 I think, making the right side worth less and enlarging Black's corner.
Now White could still make a base in the top corner and attack Black's splitting stone. I think this suits Violence. Furthermore, his choice to connect the top cutting point in the bottom right Joseki is now more efficient because of the upcoming running fight.
If I wanted to start a fight, I would exactly play like this.


Yes, after my play Black S-07 is awkward for White. That is why I would have preferred for White to approach the corner from the top side instead. :)

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Offline SoDesuNe
 Post subject: Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)
Post #44 Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 7:24 am 
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To Sodesune:

I don't remotely know what the correct play is here, but your logic would seem to indicate that Black's pincer was wrong, not that White's slide was correct. If S7 is indeed a serious threat to take away potential on the right, then I don't see how allowing for a possible R17 S16 exchange addresses that. Personally, S7 looks to me to be a end game move that I wouldn't want to play for quite a while.



No, I was just saying that if Violence wants to start a fight this is a good way to to do it and that I would not want to make a framework on the side, if I could easily be undercut - now or later. The fourth line Ogeima has enough weaknesses on his own : D
I never intended to mark something wrong or right, I was just telling my thoughts ; )


post scriptum: Yeah, like Bill Spight said, with S7 in mind, respectively with not connecting this cut, the right side is pretty much uninteresting for both sides. On the other hand, if you can't calculate with points there, it's makes the perfect battleground =D

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Offline Aphelion
 Post subject: Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)
Post #45 Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 7:31 am 
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SoDesuNe wrote:
Aphelion wrote:
To Sodesune:

I don't remotely know what the correct play is here, but your logic would seem to indicate that Black's pincer was wrong, not that White's slide was correct. If S7 is indeed a serious threat to take away potential on the right, then I don't see how allowing for a possible R17 S16 exchange addresses that. Personally, S7 looks to me to be a end game move that I wouldn't want to play for quite a while.



No, I was just saying that if Violence wants to start a fight this is a good way to to do it and that I would not want to make a framework on the side, if I could easily be undercut - now or later. The fourth line Ogeima has enough weaknesses on his own : D
I never intended to mark something wrong or right, I was just telling my thoughts ; )


post scriptum: Yeah, like Bill Spight said, with S7 in mind, respectively with not connecting this cut, the right side is pretty much uninteresting for both sides. On the other hand, if you can't calculate with points there, it's makes the perfect battleground =D


Thats the thing, I don't really see how the slide helps in starting a fight, since Black didn't have to pincer here. He could have simply taken the corner with a 3-3. If black pincered, he would have to think that a fight there favored him. Since the slide still gives the option to Black whether to fight or not and doesn't help with the threat of Black S7 if Black takes the corner simply, I don't see how its a superior move to what Bill mentioned.
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Offline k1ndofblue
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Post #46 Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 7:46 am 
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I have had this attachment sequence used against me, and was very intimidated. I believe my opening went up in smoke and down in flames. I am eager to see how both players follow it up.



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Offline SoDesuNe
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Post #47 Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 7:48 am 
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Aphelion wrote:
SoDesuNe wrote:
Aphelion wrote:
To Sodesune:

I don't remotely know what the correct play is here, but your logic would seem to indicate that Black's pincer was wrong, not that White's slide was correct. If S7 is indeed a serious threat to take away potential on the right, then I don't see how allowing for a possible R17 S16 exchange addresses that. Personally, S7 looks to me to be a end game move that I wouldn't want to play for quite a while.



No, I was just saying that if Violence wants to start a fight this is a good way to to do it and that I would not want to make a framework on the side, if I could easily be undercut - now or later. The fourth line Ogeima has enough weaknesses on his own : D
I never intended to mark something wrong or right, I was just telling my thoughts ; )


post scriptum: Yeah, like Bill Spight said, with S7 in mind, respectively with not connecting this cut, the right side is pretty much uninteresting for both sides. On the other hand, if you can't calculate with points there, it's makes the perfect battleground =D


Thats the thing, I don't really see how the slide helps in starting a fight, since Black didn't have to pincer here. He could have simply taken the corner with a 3-3. If black pincered, he would have to think that a fight there favored him. Since the slide still gives the option to Black whether to fight or not and doesn't help with the threat of Black S7 if Black takes the corner simply, I don't see how its a superior move to what Bill mentioned.



Hmm, okay, the slide itself didn't pick up the fight but the overextension did invite a bit ^^
I don't think the pincer is bad, it splits White's groups and both have no eye-space right now (but due to the slide and the Kosumi follow-up in the corner this group is far safer than the other, which might be a reason to play this). If they run, Magicwand can take profit on top and bottom. Furthermore Magicwand has no weak groups on the board. But to say, the fight will favour him is maybe a bit strong, I would prefer to say that Violence has given Black enough reason to attack. But again, I'm quite sure this is Violence's style, so you can't tell who the fight will favour, when one has enough reason to attack and the other likes to fight things out.
To go back at the beginning: If I would have been Black, I would have calmly played San-San because of S7.

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Post #48 Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:17 am 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . W . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Mmm... This move wasn't outside of my consideration.

It seems he's eager to fight and attack me. That's ok, I don't think he can profit very much from attacking these stones. First, I'll make my top right safe by taking his corner.
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Offline Joaz Banbeck
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Post #49 Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:43 am 
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my group on top right is safe from attack because of a or b meiai.
now let me think how he will answer my attack.
if c: then d
if e: then f
(edit: above points are not final..i am just brainstroming points. i will start to read seriously after his move and make my final decision)
he can try to stablize by attaching to my stone ...but i dont think he will get good result out of that. it's very kyuish.
for whatever happens ...my last move is pretty good move that spilts the white group. i think is was pretty big mistake for him to give me such point.
if he happens to tenuki "g" will be a good point of attack.
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . b . . X . . a . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . d . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . c . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . g . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . e . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . f . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Thanks, Magicwand, this is more of what we Malkovich fans have been expecting.

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Post #50 Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:52 am 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
as i explained earlier..i think he made a mistake.

edit:
edit: reasong why i didnt play "g" to attack his group:
if he play there to beg for his life..he is a sdk. he will not play such awful move.
although it might be good move on black it is not urgent because he will not play there.
i think my knight move attack is all i need to get this game flow to my advantage.
added diag. move 2 = pt g
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . b . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . d . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . c . X 3 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . e . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . f . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . W . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Steady... there is not very much profit to be gained from this attack.

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . W B . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think this fight is bad for white, so I didn't jump out two spaces. A similar thing happens if I play the jump a line lower.
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Post #52 Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 10:26 am 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . B . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
where is he running??
go proverb: if you play too many dame then you lose.
i am building my influence and he is playing dame.
now my lonely stone becomes a strong influence. and his strong stone become a running dragon. and it's still my sente. :)

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . W . O . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Only move, I feel.
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Post #54 Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 10:34 am 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 3 . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . W 2 O . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . 1 . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

every jump we exchange i will gain points and he will lose points.

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Post #55 Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 11:06 am 
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Trigger...

Rejected.

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . X . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


That was silly of him...
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Post #56 Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 11:17 am 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . 5 3 . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 4 2 X 1 X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . X . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

how about this trigger ??
such peeping move only solidify my influence. doesnt do him any good.
i think he has to accept this trigger..if he does i think i will think about pushing once more.

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I will also reject this one.

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . W . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . X . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Why would I ever make such bad exchanges?
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Post #58 Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 1:42 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . B . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . X . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

nothing different..

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . W . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . X . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think that because of these exchanges, he no longer has sente. I think I can now approach the top right, ruining his plans.
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Post #60 Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 1:48 pm 
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