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Post #21 Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 3:25 pm 
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Bantari, access to the file system for application data eases access to the files. Otherwise the object name is the only simple access information. Object names would have to become much longer so as to contain what would otherwise be in the path. When all naming is in the object name, then it becomes a very time consuming burden to find an object. Maybe this is no problem as long as one has only a few objects of a type on one's computer. I have thousands to hundreds of thousands per type. Without file system, access to objects becomes impractical because gaining access consumes as much time as viewing or editing the object. It is the opposite of progress.

(The indexed Windows search also fails. Maybe it works for a few files. For my numbers of files, indexed searching is much slower than ordinary searching. Therefore I deactivate the indexing.)


I think you misunderstand what you say.

Think of Windows Explorer as a app, because this is exactly what it is, really.

It does not really give you access to the "file system" but presents the data to you in the arbitrary and abstract form of file(names) and folder(names). This has absolutely nothing to do with how the files are actually stored, which is the *real* file system or file structure. It is a rather arbitrary type of data presentation, but the only one Explorer understands. You use it because there has not really been much else to use. Just like before that you only had your DOS commands, and before that - you really had to dig into the file system manually to get your data.

Windows Explorer gives you the data in a form it thinks is easier for you, just like any app does. And just like with any app, you have no clue how the data is "really" stored, what is the "real" structure. And you don't really care, all you want is to find it, click on it, and get the data you want. The problem with Explorer is that it is a very generic app, and so it does not present the data in a view specifically tailored to the application you want or to the file type you want, but in a very generic format, one size fits all, so to say. It is vey inefficient, by definition, an does not offer any advanced functionality. All Explorer does for you could be done much much better, depending on what you need.

Some of the shortcomings of presenting data like that, using Windows Explorer, is that it is harder to find stuff. For example: it does not let you search by content of the files, only by names and folders and maybe dates. Another example - it does not let you search across multiple folders for related data unless you start with the root folder and iterate through all sub-folders, which is slow and not efficient. A well designed app can potentially accomplish things like that easily and efficiently, depending on the purpose and the data.

Bottom line:
An app can present the same information in any given form which is suitable for the given application, even in the very inefficient form Windows Explorer uses - if you want to use such app (but why would anybody?) And most apps let you organize the data in a form you want, either generic or better still - suitable for the specific application. An app can also give you more powerful search and sort tools than Explorer can ever do. In terms of data storage and manipulation, an app represents (or can represent) a much higher and more advanced level of abstraction, which potentially lets you do more complex operations. Which is good, especially if the volume of data is large, which seems to be your case.

Your problem is that you got used so much to doing stuff in the inefficient way that it is hard for you to change now.
Its a learning curve, and like with each curve, you need to slow down to navigate it. But once you are past the curve, you will see that the road is wider and straighter and you can go much faster. ;)

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Post #22 Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:10 pm 
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It sounds like you want an android tablet.

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Post #23 Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:12 pm 
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It is all programs really, but nowadays called software, crapware, malware or app;)

Physical storage -> controller -> low level files system of the operating system -> high level file system a la DOS / Windows Explorer (in its text only view) -> further optional abstraction.

"inefficient, harder": depends on how dull / cute the user, the kind of data and the user's kind of usage of the data.

That a program can present files more nicely than the Windows Explorer does not mean that every program does. In fact, many programs fail. For special purposes, special other file views can be more suitable, such as a picture explorer when the task is picture-orientated rather than picture-file-orientated.

However, do not even pretend that file type specific file management would always the be best even if all programs would handle their files perfectly. E.g., with the Windows Explorer, you can do one-click actions for all files (e.g., in a partition) of all file types and while keeping their different access rights and sandbox rights. If every file type requires an app of its own for file actions, you might need hours for what you can do in seconds with the Windows Explorer (or a command line). Windows integrates file management and security, even if there are sandboxes.

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Post #24 Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:18 pm 
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Android, me? No. Unrooted android security is like Windows security in the 90s (almost non-existent), except that Google and app companies grab user data more greedily and security updates tend to stop soon. Besides, Android tablets (maybe except for Nexus) tend to have a slow GUI.

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What I want does not exist yet: Reliable 10" 4:3 matt Windows Pro 64b slate with replacable battery.

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Post #25 Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:28 pm 
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RobertJasiek wrote:
Android, me? No. Unrooted android security is like Windows security in the 90s (almost non-existent), except that Google and app companies grab user data more greedily and security updates tend to stop soon. Besides, Android tablets (maybe except for Nexus) tend to have a slow GUI.

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What I want does not exist yet: Reliable 10" 4:3 matt Windows Pro 64b slate with replacable battery.

If you want security that much, then you should not be using Windows at all. Or only from a virtualization.
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Post #26 Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:35 pm 
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Windows security is good if configured well. Out-of-the-box Windows is insufficient, but 10 times better than XP was.

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Post #27 Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 5:19 pm 
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RobertJasiek wrote:
Windows security is good if configured well. Out-of-the-box Windows is insufficient, but 10 times better than XP was.

If you are ok to settle for that, who am I to argue.
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Post #28 Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 10:00 am 
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As I have heard now, transfer of an encrypted gobook file from the Ipad to Windows is difficult but might work via the iPad backup on a Windows PC with a software to extract the app data contents, provided you can identify the files there. Otherwise, at least you get a backup of all app data.

Gobook files sent somehow (don't know about a local method yet) from a Windows PC to the iPad cannot be viewed in SmartgoBooks, but possibly in SmartgoKifu.

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Post #29 Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 10:26 am 
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Simply put :

I love my iPhone / iPad,
but I hate iTune.

I would prefer the device just exposing its file sytem for file transfert

Still :

Smart go Go book's rocks :tmbup:
Smart go kifu rocks :tmbup:
Easy go rocks :tmbup:
Go problems rocks :tmbup:
Champion Go rocks :tmbup:

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Post #30 Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 10:36 am 
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oca wrote:
I would prefer the device just exposing its file sytem for file transfert


That is one reason I am much happier with my Android device. It just feels much easier to get things done. :)

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Post #31 Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 11:30 am 
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RobertJasiek wrote:

Gobook files sent somehow (don't know about a local method yet) from a Windows PC to the iPad cannot be viewed in SmartgoBooks, but possibly in SmartgoKifu.


Hi Robert,

A few month ago (on 20th september to be precise), I sent this email to Anders Kierulf, the author of Smart Go :
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I own "smartgo book" and love it,I allready have a few books in my collection, but that would be nice if I can add my own book too.

Is there a way to do that ? That would be nice if there would be a "folder exchange" for smartgo book app in itune for example.

For now, I send the book by email and I open it with smart go kifu, but I will prefer to have it in smart go book with my other books.
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And I got this answer

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I do plan to provide more management of your own books in either Go Books or SmartGo Kifu, but will still be quite a while. I’ve been updating the apps for iOS 8, will get back to working on the Mac version of Go Books shortly, and then SmartGo for the Mac. And other features in the iOS versions have a higher priority.
...


So may that will be possible to open own gobook in the "Go Books" apps in the future...

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Post #32 Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2015 11:01 pm 
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There are various "file manager" apps available for Android tablets. I'm not familiar with iOS at all. but I would find it pretty strange that no such thing exists for the iPad/iPhone, unless Apple expressly excludes them. And, a quick search for "file manager app for iPad" revels that there are quite a few file managers for iOS. Here's a few URLs, chosen completely at random:

http://fileapp.com/

http://www.goaruna.com/pages/app/mobile-ipad-file-manager-app

There are also a bunch of review pages for "best file managers", like this:

http://www.igeeksblog.com/best-ipad-file-management-apps/

We need a .gobook reader for Windows, and I don't think Anders is going to get to it this decade (I have no problem with that... he's running a business, and I'm not). I may just have to see how hard such a thing would be to cook up. But I'll have to contact Mr. Kierulf to see if there is a way to get (or buy) a sample .gobook file to use during the development.

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Post #33 Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2015 11:54 pm 
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We need a .gobook reader for Windows, and I don't think Anders is going to get to it this decade (I have no problem with that... he's running a business, and I'm not). I may just have to see how hard such a thing would be to cook up. But I'll have to contact Mr. Kierulf to see if there is a way to get (or buy) a sample .gobook file to use during the development.



Hi Gohst,
The gobook format is discribed here : http://www.smartgo.com/blog/20130710.html
You will find a sample gobook into the pdf,(http://www.smartgo.com/pdf/gobookformat.pdf)

while not 100% full compliant, my own work about gobook are available here (javascript):
viewtopic.php?p=176249#p176249

you can give it a try it here :

http://www.gocdf.ch/gobook

you can use user "demo" and password "demo", or setup an proper account for you if you want to.

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Post #34 Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2015 12:56 am 
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Thanks Oca. I would need gobook samples that have far more detail than that, in order to be able to develop a proper viewer. But I think Mr Kierulf is willing to be helpful in that regard, so I may be set! The biggest hurdle will of course be free time... I never have any. but we'll see if anything comes of this.

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Post #35 Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2015 1:31 am 
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Gohst wrote:
a quick search for "file manager app for iPad" revels that there are quite a few file managers for iOS.


It does not suffice for an app to pretend being a file manager. The problem is that probably they do not have access to all file types of all applications.

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Post #36 Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2015 1:46 am 
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Gohst wrote:
a quick search for "file manager app for iPad" revels that there are quite a few file managers for iOS.


It does not suffice for an app to pretend being a file manager. The problem is that probably they do not have access to all file types of all applications.


I agree with that, I don't like itunes so I did tried a few alternative, but any app I tried was slow and not really reliable... and for sure, you cannot access all files... that said, I only gave a look at free application, maybe commercial one are better... I don't know...

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Post #37 Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2015 2:16 am 
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oca wrote:
RobertJasiek wrote:
Gohst wrote:
a quick search for "file manager app for iPad" revels that there are quite a few file managers for iOS.


It does not suffice for an app to pretend being a file manager. The problem is that probably they do not have access to all file types of all applications.


I agree with that, I don't like itunes so I did tried a few alternative, but any app I tried was slow and not really reliable... and for sure, you cannot access all files... that said, I only gave a look at free application, maybe commercial one are better... I don't know...


For Mac I use Ibrowse, and aside from the occasional application crash it can access all files for read access (or at least, all files I checked, as you can imagine an iOS filesystem is pretty complex) and it can upload/download without a problem files for applications supporting iTunes file sharing. I don't use it very often though.

That said, I have dived into this before: iOS works differently. I know this is shocking for a lot of people and they don't like it, but well, it's what it is. If you really, really need file system access for some reason, get an Android device (well, and root it, too, if you want real full access.)

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Post #38 Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:27 am 
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oca wrote:
Simply put :

I love my iPhone / iPad,
but I hate iTune.

I would prefer the device just exposing its file sytem for file transfert

Still :

Smart go Go book's rocks :tmbup:
Smart go kifu rocks :tmbup:
Easy go rocks :tmbup:
Go problems rocks :tmbup:
Champion Go rocks :tmbup:


I prefer go eye + dropbox. It is super convenient than anything else I bought. One tap to import my zip files from dropbox into a group. Selecting my games and output as zip to dropbox too.

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Post #39 Posted: Thu May 14, 2015 5:13 am 
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Another option for iPhone Transfer is SmartIOApp, basically it transfer all contacts from one phone to other over wifi with in seconds,its best for iphone to iPhone/ipad/Android transfer.

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Have you tried Wifi Transfer option...

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