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Offline ethanb
 Post subject: Re: ??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)
Post #101 Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 8:48 pm 
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Magicwand wrote:
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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
kick and make his group another target...to build more influence.


He must be on tilt - this can't actually be his goal?

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X 1 . 6 . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . 2 4 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O , 7 . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline daniel_the_smith
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Post #102 Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:20 am 
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The longer I thought about this move the harder it is to find a good response. I was going to play the move in the third diagram here but now I think I'm going to spend some more time looking at the move in the first diagram...

The normal move gives white this sequence, which I cannot read all the way out. :w2: could also be a one space jump if this doesn't work out for white.

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X 1 7 . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . 5 4 2 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 O 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This is the point I want, but :w2: removes nearly all aji in the corner. I hate to give white 30 solid points like that, even though my moyo is huge and all further moves against his dragon are sente.

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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O , 1 . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think I will play here:
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . a . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 1 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O , 3 . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This way, I can play at (a) later to live in the corner.

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Offline k43r
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Post #103 Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:29 am 
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Last two diagrams shows that Daniel the smith needs to learn basics of tewari.

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Offline daniel_the_smith
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Post #104 Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:10 pm 
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . B O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


OK, I'm going with it. I think I could win that complicated capturing race I mentioned in my last post, but in doing so I'd be pushing white's dragon into my moyo. If I see a flurry of comments we'll know this was a mistake... :)

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Post #105 Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:25 pm 
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k43r wrote:
Last two diagrams shows that Daniel the smith needs to learn basics of tewari.

Could you elaborate on this?

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Post #106 Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:36 pm 
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . W X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
if i play that move after the exchang then he might answer differently and try to kill everything... i want to make sure he answer as below to secure life..
i will have a cutting point at "a" so i think this will be sente.
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 4 O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 9 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . 8 . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O a . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 0 . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . W X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 1 O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 7 . X O O X X . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #107 Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:45 pm 
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 1 O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 4 3 . X O O X X . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 . X O O . X O . O . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If you play :w2: - :w4:, I play :b3: - :b5:.

Can't really ignore this. Or the next move. Or the move after.

Maybe I made a mistake, my corner is smaller than I was expecting... :/ c9 was one of the moves I thought about, maybe I should have played it.

He still has to come back and play d14, I think, so I should end up with sente.

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Post #108 Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:50 pm 
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . W . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i will save that atari for later..
i was afraid he might tenuki...but after i saw what he played ...i was relieved.

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Post #109 Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 1:20 pm 
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k43r wrote:
Last two diagrams shows that Daniel the smith needs to learn basics of tewari.

Could you elaborate on this?


ok!

Black is sure, that if he plays not in upper right corner, then white will play D14.
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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . a . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O , 1 . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

so he decides to play this:
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . a . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 1 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O , 3 . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


But it's exacly the same as this one:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . a . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 3 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O , 1 . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


with numbers reversed. Looking at last diagram everyone clearly sees that move number three is bad.

Sorry i am busy right now and can't write much more :oops:
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Post #110 Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 3:00 pm 
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I think that each move after C15 that was not D14 was a mistake.

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Post #111 Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 1:01 pm 
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X B . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Yesterday was a bit of a bad go day for me...

Well, I suppose it was bound to happen sooner or later. I had a sequence planned if white did that, but not a good one. The :wc: / :bc: exchange was white's right at any time, so that shouldn't bother me. But the :ws: / :bs: exchange was terrible for me. :( I always think I can come up with a better move than the extension (a) after the kick, and I always turn out to be wrong.

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . @ . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . # O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X a . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . b . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . W X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . B O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I thought that :bs: would help prevent white from connecting to his corner if there was a capturing race after I extend. But actually that's not an issue since white can most likely live or escape. So what I actually accomplished was to make (b) a lot less damaging for white to play. Oh well.

I suspect the correct move now is to suck it up and play (a) above. But I'm kinda disgusted with that half of the board now. And I don't want to fight there on white's terms right now. I guess I'll play it so that white can't capture the side in one move.

Next, my plan is something like this:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X B . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 3 4 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O , 1 . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


After :b3: I should be able to save my stones on the left without a big disadvantageous fight. :/ I don't know. (Yes, I realize white should have another stone somewhere...)

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Post #112 Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 1:45 pm 
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . W . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
i changed my mind.. he made himself heavy enough to be attacked. this is a chance i was waiting for..

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Post #113 Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 1:39 pm 
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . B . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


OK I don't love this but what else is there really? I have a ton of forcing moves against his dragon if I need them.

Ideally, eventually he'll have to make the following exchange, and then I at least have an endgame clamp in his corner. This is why I jump directly instead of atariing that single stone first.

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . B X X . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . W . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I can totally still win this game. I estimate I've lost about .75 handicap stones at this point, most of that due to b15. Maybe a little more.

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Post #114 Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 1:58 pm 
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i caught the FLOW
let me take it all the way to the beach.
i think this wave is big enough to send me all the way.

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Post #115 Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 2:12 pm 
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . B . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Your dragon for mine. Deal?

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Post #116 Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 2:16 pm 
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X W . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

this should be sente :) and i should be able to capture his group without hurting my group

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Post #117 Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 2:20 pm 
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O B . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Bah, I'm not going to put up with that. You can't catch my stones there.

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Post #118 Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 2:24 pm 
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . X . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . X 3 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O X 2 . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

let me know if any problem.

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Post #119 Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 2:36 pm 
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