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 Post subject: Re: 52. Dusk Eagle (1k) vs "Kerby" (2k)
Post #41 Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:54 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm40 Move 40 Caps W:0 B:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . . , . . 1 . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Ideas:
As per plan.

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Post #42 Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 4:49 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm41 Move 41 Caps W:0 B:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . 1 . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . . , . . O . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I had considered this move briefly, but had never decided what to do about it. It turns out it is a big pain.

I wasn't too happy at first with the move I've chosen, so I started looking at weird alternatives such as:

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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . . , . . O 1 X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . 2 . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . . , . . O X X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . 1 . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Yay! I'm connected.

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 4 X . 1 . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . . . 3 . O X X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . 5 2 . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Seems fine for me.

However, if he were to play :w1: below, I would be at a loss as to what to do.

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X 1 . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . . , . . O X X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So I then considered another odd looking move:

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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . . , . 1 O . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . 2 . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . . , . X O . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . 1 . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Connected.

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . 1 . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . . , . X O . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . 2 . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Reverts back to my analysis on my last move.

But once again, he had his own funny-looking move that would destroy me.

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . . , . X O 1 X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I also considered the moves below, but they weren't hard to reject:

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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 3 O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . 2 4 X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . . , . . O . B 6 . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

:bc: will be near-impossible to save.

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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 1 O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . 3 X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . . , . . O . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I'd have to be very careful not to let him descend at 'a'.

However, with my move, I run into this problem:

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 5 3 2 0 O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 6 X 1 X 7 . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . . , . 4 O 8 X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . 9 . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm11
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O X X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . a X X O X O . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . . 3 1 X O X X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . 2 O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . b . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

:w13: is a tesuji when the ladder works, making miai of 'a' and 'b'. However, I think this is the best I can do. I am alive on the top-right, I retain some of my territory on the top middle-left, I get ladder aji, and I get sente. I only wish this result was as good as it sounds when I read that sentence.

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[go]$$Wcm42 Move 42 Caps W:0 B:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X 1 X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . . , . . O . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I wonder which path Dusk Regal will choose.

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[go]$$Bcm43 Move 43 Caps W:0 B:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . . , . . O . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This sucks, but at least I was ahead before, so losing quite a bit here isn't nearly as devastating.

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[go]$$Bcm
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . . , . . O . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . C W . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I'm glad :wc: is not at :ec:. That would make it harder to invade there when I leave the now-ugly top in sente.

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[go]$$Wcm44 Move 44 Caps W:0 B:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . . , 1 . O . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Ideas:
My original plan was this, but I fear he can play his move 4 at "a" and split me in 2 which would be horrible for me grrr:
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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 2 X . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 6 X O X . 4 X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . . , 5 1 O 3 X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . 7 a O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I also thought about invading the top like so but my 3 stones would completely die if DuskE got a move at "x"(which he would) and all my influence would be shot:

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 2 X . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . a . X O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . b , x 1 O . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I decided this was a better move for invading the top, I expect something like this to happen:
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[go]$$Wcm44 Move 44 Caps W:0 B:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 2 X . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 3 X O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . . , 1 4 O . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . 5 . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm45 Move 45 Caps W:0 B:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . . , O . O . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I'm off the hook!

I'm guessing he's going for a large center here. In that case, this might happen:

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . a 2 X O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . . , O 1 O . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . 3 . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Then it will be time to deal with his moyo. He'll still have a move around 'a' as a follow-up.

In my experience, he's never been much of a moyo player. I wonder if he'll feel comfortable handling my reductions.

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[go]$$Wcm46 Move 46 Caps W:0 B:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 1 X O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . . , O . O . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Trigger for Dusky:
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[go]$$Wcm46 Move 46 Caps W:0 B:1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 1 X O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . . , O 2 O . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . 3 . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm47 Move 47-49 Caps W:0 B:1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X . X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . . 3 O 1 O . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . 2 . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Once again he does the move I consider briefly but don't write about. At least this time I am fine with that. He will either have to push me into the center, making it all too easy for me to wreck his moyo, or he will have to give me side territory.

One possible push-me-into-the-center variation:

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 2 X X . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 5 . O X 1 X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . 3 X O . O . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . 4 . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . 8 9 . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . 0 O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . 6 7 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

The I'm-trying-to-strenghten-my-moyo variation:

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 2 X X . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X 1 X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . 4 X O . O . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . 3 . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Not much else here to say really. I have no ko threats to fight a huge ko with.

I think the unwritten rule is that we don't read each other's triggers until we have decided on our moves, correct?

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 2 X X . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X 1 X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . . X O . O . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #49 Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 12:27 pm 
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I assumed that was the case. Trigger accepted. Your move Dusky the night Owl. Just a heads up I won't be making any moves Tue. or Wed. as I will be in a magical land of morphine and scalpels on Tue. and a less magical land of Tylenol-3 and managing pain Wed. I will assess how I am feeling Thurs. I will be eager to play some moves.
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[go]$$Wcm50 Move 50-52 Caps W:1 B:1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 2 X X . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X 1 X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . . X O . O . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . 3 . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Ideas:
I am aiming for the following:
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X X . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . X 3 1 X O . O . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . 2 O . O . 4 . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

If Dusky chooses a different move 3 I will be extra happy, but I am content with this. I just wish I had sente :-|

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[go]$$Bcm45 Move 45 Caps W:0 B:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . . , O . O . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think this is better shape, am I right?

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[go]$$Bcm45 Move 45 Caps W:0 B:0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 1 . X . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . . , O . O . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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That's okay, I won't be able to make any moves over the weekend so it's good that our schedules worked out as such.

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[go]$$Bcm53 Move 53 Caps W:1 B:1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X X . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . 1 X O . O . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . O . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Only move. I'm glad my :bc: stone makes the tesuji at :ec: impossible.

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X X . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . B C X X O . O . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . O . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I have like 45 points of solid territory on the top, 10 points of solid territory on the left, and 14 points of pretty solid territory in the bottom right. He has 14 points of territory perhaps on the top-right, and an invadable ~22 points of territory on the bottom. He'll need 30-40 points in the center to win I think. I think that will be hard, but his best shot is probably to start with a move like this:

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X X . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X X O . O . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . O . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . a . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . 1 . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I also want to get to 'a' before he does, because as a follow-up I can perhaps move into the center and threaten his four stones in the upper-left all at once.

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Post #52 Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 4:22 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm54 Move 54 Caps W:1 B:1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X X . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X X O . O . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . 1 O . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


as per plan

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Post #53 Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 5:33 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm55 Move 55 Caps W:1 B:1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X X . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X X O . O . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . 1 O O . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Not responding is too painful:

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 4 . X X X . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 5 3 2 O X O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . X 1 X X O . O . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . O O . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

However, if he follows-up with a hane himself, I will probably tenuki, as it seems there will be bigger areas on the board than this.

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Post #54 Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 6:32 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm56 Move 56 Caps W:1 B:1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X X . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X X O . O . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X O O . O . 1 . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Ideas:
Yay this is what I meant when I said I would be happy if black didn't play solid. I feel there is lots of aji in the top still. A probe at "a" is not easy to handle/kill especially with threats like "b" possible. I will take more time to read it out, but at very least I have a pile of ko threats, maybe ko life, not sure about unconditional life. I would be happy with ko life deep in his territory and I lose nothing by playing in there. Its Dusks move, I await some destruction of my area/expansion of his. My guess is he will attack my 4 stones on the left then move on to the bottom. I control the middle so I can put up strong resistance to any attacks he makes.

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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . a . . . . . . X X X . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . b . O X O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X X O . O . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X O O . O . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #55 Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 10:34 am 
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[go]$$Wm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X X . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X X O . O . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . 2 1 O . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This exchange is no good for white. It makes the :w1: chain rather tight in liberties, and is aji-keshi.

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Post #56 Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 2:41 pm 
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Some ideas:
Looking at this corner:
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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 1 . . . . . . X X X . O X X . . |
$$ | . . a b . . . . . O X O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X X O . O . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X O O . O . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If Dusk chooses "a" I feel I have at least ko life by the following:

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 9 . 3 1 . . . . . . X X X . O X X . . |
$$ | 8 5 2 . 4 . . . . O X O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . 6 . X . . X . X X O . O . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X O O . O . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

If he chooses a different move 4 a and b feel miai:
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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 4 3 1 . . . . . . X X X . O X X . . |
$$ | . a 2 7 . . b 5 . O X O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . X 6 X X O . O . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X O O . O . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I am more intimidated by the other option I don't see a way to make even ko life but I guess I get plenty of ko threats:
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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 1 . . . . . . X X X . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . 2 . . . . . O X O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X X O . O . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X O O . O . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Since I have all weekend to wait for Dusk to make his next move I get a chance to assess this corner and then look at other things that might happen Lucky me!

I wonder where he will play his next move? I don't think the same way as Dusk so its hard to say what is next on his agenda I bet he will come up with a completely unexpected move:
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . h a r d . t o . s a y . w h e r e . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X X . O X X . d |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . X O O u |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X X O i O . X , . . s |
$$ | . . X X . . . X O O . O . O . . O . k |
$$ | . . O X O . . d . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . w |
$$ | . g O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . i |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . l |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . e , O . l |
$$ | . . b . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . f . p |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . l |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a |
$$ | . . . O . c . . . . . . . . . . X . y |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . h . a . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #57 Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 7:07 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm57 Move 57 Caps W:1 B:1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X X . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X X O . O . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X O O . O . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . 1 . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



To stay consistent with black's strategy, it would be around here. I think this can exploit the aji of e3 quite well. It is solid and consistent(maybe steady is a better word?), and seems to be quite big now. White's moyo seems to be taking shape, but I feel like he is sacrificing too many pure points for his moyo. It's not enough to get moyo in this manner.

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Post #58 Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 12:12 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm57 Move 57 Caps W:1 B:1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X X . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X X O . O . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X O O . O . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This is my probe to see if he will play 'a', 'b', or 'c'.

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X X . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X X O . O . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X O O . O . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . c . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . a . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . b . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

If he plays either 'a' or 'b', I will invade below. I believe I will then have enough points to win the game.

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X X . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X X O . O . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X O O . O . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . 1 . . . O 5 3 . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . 6 4 2 . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

If he plays at 'c' instead, I can respond once, but when he extends at :w3:, I will not have to play at :w9:, but can instead connect underneath at :b4:, as :w5: (the normal follow-up) does not work out for him at all:

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X X . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X X O . O . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X O O . O . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 9 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 1 . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 7 X 0 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 6 O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . 8 X O . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

So let's see what he does!

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Post #59 Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 5:01 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm58 Move 58 Caps W:1 B:1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X X . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X X O . O . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X O O . O . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Ideas:
I will resist as strongly as I can. I cannot afford to simply concede territory. I will aim for sente and probe the top. I need to balance territory asap as I have few points and he has plenty. I will aim for the following points:

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[go]$$Wcm58 Move 58 Caps W:1 B:1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . b . . . . . . X X X . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X X O . O . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X O O . O . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . c . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . a . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #60 Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 12:33 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm59 Move 59 Caps W:1 B:1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X X . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X X O . O . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X O O . O . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . 1 . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I was just lazy posting this move, knowing that he won't be able to respond until tomorrow. I had it planned all along. He has two choices of moves now:

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X X . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X X O . O . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X O O . O . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . a b . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . . . . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

If 'a':

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X X . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X X O . O . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X O O . O . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . 7 O 3 1 . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . 8 6 4 2 X 5 O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I should live easily, maybe even in sente :twisted: .

If 'b':
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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X X . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . X . X X O . O . X , . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X O O . O . O . . O . . |
$$ | . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . 7 6 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . 3 4 5 . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . 2 1 . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X . . C . . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . . . . 8 . C . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This is one possibility, making miai of both :ec: points. However, there are numerous other branches for both of us, including me perhaps saving my laddered stones in sente (I haven't really read it out yet). *Edit: In fact, this exact sequence is very unlikely to happen, it's just the first one that popped into my head.*

Once I live here, I only have to reduce the center a little bit, which shouldn't be too hard, and then I will win.

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Each of us woke up one moment and here we were in the darkness.
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