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by paK0 Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:15 am
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by Bill Spight Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:26 am
The Adkins Principle:At some point, doesn't thinking have to go on?
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by paK0 Tue Dec 23, 2014 5:02 am
Gonna need a little more time, this is a though one
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by Uberdude Tue Dec 23, 2014 7:54 am
@Kirby,
Kirby wrote: I wish I had more of a plan at this point, but I suck at handicap games.
Don't be too hard on yourself, paK0 is making it much harder for you than most people taking 9 stones would.
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by paK0 Wed Dec 24, 2014 2:50 am
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by Bill Spight Wed Dec 24, 2014 8:57 am
paK0 wrote: Gonna need a little more time, this is a though one
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Then I was reading a book by Sakata, in which he showed a variation that I would have chosen in a game, because both sides got good shape. I judged that as an even exchange. But Sakata, while acknowledging the good shape, said that he had felt that the result was not good enough, and had sought complications. The message was quite plain that I needed to develop my judgement beyond questions of shape.
Here, White has good shape, obviously, and Black is solid. At pak0's level he could be satisfied.
Oh! And I am impressed that he apparently plans to take sente after
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pak0 wrote: I really don't know how much I like that, it looks good regarding the right side, but I feel like I'm getting way overconcentrated here
All I can say is
Bravo, pak0! You are way ahead of where I was at that level.
Now, if you had just thought of that on your previous move.
And Merry Christmas!
The Adkins Principle:At some point, doesn't thinking have to go on?
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by skydyr Wed Dec 24, 2014 9:17 am
Bill Spight wrote:
pak0 wrote: I really don't know how much I like that, it looks good regarding the right side, but I feel like I'm getting way overconcentrated here
All I can say is
Bravo, pak0! You are way ahead of where I was at that level.
Now, if you had just thought of that on your previous move.
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by Bill Spight Wed Dec 24, 2014 9:41 am
skydyr wrote: Bill Spight wrote:
pak0 wrote: I really don't know how much I like that, it looks good regarding the right side, but I feel like I'm getting way overconcentrated here
All I can say is
Bravo, pak0! You are way ahead of where I was at that level.
Now, if you had just thought of that on your previous move.
Well, as the alcoholic in the bar said, "Sure, I know how much is too much. It was three drinks ago."
And as Znosko-Borovski said,
E. A. Znosko-Borovski wrote: It is not a move, even the best move, that you must seek, but a realizable plan.
And as Thomas J. Watson might have said,
THINK -- especially during the fuseki
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by Bill Spight Wed Dec 24, 2014 1:06 pm
skydyr wrote: Bill Spight wrote:
pak0 wrote: I really don't know how much I like that, it looks good regarding the right side, but I feel like I'm getting way overconcentrated here
All I can say is
Bravo, pak0! You are way ahead of where I was at that level.
Now, if you had just thought of that on your previous move.
OK. Yes, there is a point where you can get past this issue (except on rare occasions, OC
). Avoiding errors that are immediately obvious, once played, is part of playing up to yourself. As bridge great, Terence Reese said,
A player who plays up to himself is hard to beat.
After digesting that I can truly say that I played up to myself nearly all the time at bridge, and most of the time at go. A DDK can play to himself or herself. OTOH, if you are a carefree player, oopsies are fine.
(I used to bite my mouth and cheeks in my sleep at bridge tournaments. There are tradeoffs.
But that one was not really necessary.)
In this case pak0 did not see the overconcentration when he played the extension. He saw it as a severe attack. The fact that later he became aware of the overconcentation is wonderful. I think that he is playing above himself.
The Adkins Principle:At some point, doesn't thinking have to go on?
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by Kirby Wed Dec 24, 2014 2:54 pm
Debating between this:
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be immersed
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by skydyr Thu Dec 25, 2014 12:40 pm
Kirby wrote: Might be good to make some sort of plan for what to do next, before deciding on this move.
Hah!
So apropos.
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by Kirby Mon Dec 29, 2014 12:03 pm
Happy Holidays.
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To be honest, I'm not really sure what's best. I tried to think of a plan. I played this move, because if he captures, I can atari, and it's same shape as I wanted before:
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be immersed
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by paK0 Mon Dec 29, 2014 1:17 pm
Same to you
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by paK0 Fri Jan 02, 2015 12:32 pm
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by Kirby Fri Jan 02, 2015 4:13 pm
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Then I was reading a book by Sakata, in which he showed a variation that I would have chosen in a game, because both sides got good shape. I judged that as an even exchange. But Sakata, while acknowledging the good shape, said that he had felt that the result was not good enough, and had sought complications. The message was quite plain that I needed to develop my judgement beyond questions of shape.
. 
You are way ahead of where I was at that level.
(I used to bite my mouth and cheeks in my sleep at bridge tournaments. There are tradeoffs. 