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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: ??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)
Post #141 Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 9:52 am 
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O X X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X . . . . X W . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
now..i have my sente..i will distroy his only territory.. i start by probe.

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Offline tj86430
 Post subject: Re: ??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)
Post #142 Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 10:36 am 
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Magicwand wrote:
now..i have my sente..i will distroy his only territory.. i start by probe.

pardon me, a lowly SDK, but:
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O X X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X . . . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . B X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline k43r
 Post subject: Re: ??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)
Post #143 Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:06 pm 
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tj86430 wrote:
Magicwand wrote:
now..i have my sente..i will distroy his only territory.. i start by probe.

pardon me, a lowly SDK, but:
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O X X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X . . . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . B X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
?


Magicwand often plays move like this to "create aji".
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Offline tj86430
 Post subject: Re: ??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)
Post #144 Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:11 pm 
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k43r wrote:
Magicwand often plays move like this to "create aji".

Yes, I know, but that doesn't really create any?

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Offline k43r
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Post #145 Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:25 pm 
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tj86430 wrote:
k43r wrote:
Magicwand often plays move like this to "create aji".

Yes, I know, but that doesn't really create any?


I feel the same as you, but it works for him. I wonder what would pro say about this kind of move.
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Offline daniel_the_smith
 Post subject: Re: ??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)
Post #146 Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 1:06 pm 
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O X X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X . . . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . B X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Bah, that doesn't scare me. Obviously this is the only move. With the K11 stones I'm practically alive in the center and the lower right corner is not going to die.

If he tries to live in there right now he probably can do so in gote-- in compensation I still get half of the moyo and I get to attempt to punish his tenuki.

If I get a move around r10 he probably can't live in there at all.

If I convert the entire moyo to points I think I win by twenty or so.


EDIT:

This is the sort of move Magicwand started playing against Violence when he was behind. As long as I don't fall for any tricks I should win this.

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Offline Magicwand
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Post #147 Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 7:28 pm 
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X O O W . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O X X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X . . . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

these probes are very important.. he might not block later.. but now he is forced to block and leave aji.

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Offline daniel_the_smith
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Post #148 Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 8:23 pm 
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X O O O B . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O X X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X . . . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Magicwand is still just trying to make aji for his eventual invasion. Given the format, I believe I can read nearly as well as he can (just takes me 10x as long), so I'm unlikely to screw up too badly. At this stage in the game when I was playing vs. the 7 dans over the weekend (at 4 stones, yes I know-- not enough) I would already be in very serious trouble. My point is we've left the stage of the game when I seem to make the majority of my horrible game losing moves. (famous last words)

Only other move to consider is this, which gives him way too much on top despite solidifying my side:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X O . . . . 8 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X 6 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X O O W 2 3 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O X X 1 4 7 . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X O . . 5 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X . . . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Magicwand
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Post #149 Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 9:24 pm 
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X O O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O X X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X O W . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X . . . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i will kill his group first.. that is pretty big...

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Post #150 Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 3:03 am 
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X O O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O X X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X . B . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Wow, almost got me! But not quite. I think.

Here's how white destroys me if I play like I almost did:

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X O O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O X X B . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X 1 . . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Good thing I noticed this, almost didn't. I think I still would have played my last move even if I'd seen this... (And here I went on about how mistakes were less likely from me now blah blah :oops:)

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Post #151 Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 5:26 am 
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[go]$$Wc W=2 B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X O O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O . . W . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X . X . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

now i have gote move to capture his bottom tail
see below for detail
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[go]$$Wc W=2 B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X O O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O . . W . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O O X . 2 X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X . X . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O 1 O . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . 3 O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #152 Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:39 am 
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[go]$$Wc W=2 B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X O O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O B . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X . X . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



No choice. I should still be ok but I can't keep losing 10s of points like that...

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Post #153 Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:42 am 
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[go]$$Wc W=2 B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . W . . |
$$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X O O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X . X . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #154 Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 8:17 am 
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what i played is a probe.. he can try to kill everything so i will really careful on moving that stone.
depends on how he answer i might also probe on 'a' to see how he answer.
if he play b i will cross cut c. if he make one slight mistake..the game will be over.
i think i will have to play him 4 stone game :)
i dont know exactly how i am going to live...but i have a feeling that i will make life easily.
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[go]$$Bc W=2 B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . . X c . |
$$ | . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . W b . |
$$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X O O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X a . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X . X . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #155 Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 11:50 am 
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Thinking...

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[go]$$Wc Can I kill?
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . 4 . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . B X 1 . |
$$ | . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . O 3 . |
$$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . . . . . 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X O O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X . X . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]




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[go]$$Wc What happens next?
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . B O . . |
$$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X O O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X . X . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



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[go]$$Wc Idea is to keep most of the moyo as points and just barely live in the corner. I think I would be severely criticized for this move though
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . 1 X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X O O O X . . . . B . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X . X . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #156 Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:36 pm 
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[go]$$Wc W=2 B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . B X . . |
$$ | . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X O O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X . X . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

If this were an in-person or KGS game I would totally go for a kill. I think this is the best local response, I will play here and see what he does. I will either try to kill or make him live small depending on how much of my moyo he wants to eat.

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Post #157 Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:47 pm 
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[go]$$Wc W=2 B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X W . |
$$ | . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X O O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X . X . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #158 Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 3:07 pm 
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How did you choose R13 to invade? What about a move more in the open, like R9?
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Post #159 Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 3:11 pm 
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emeraldemon wrote:
Question for Magicwand:
How did you choose R13 to invade? What about a move more in the open, like R9?


i think i will get killed too obviously playing R9 and i wont have any aji.
but what i played R13 is not aji-keshi but aji making.
i can tenuki and go somewhere else depends how he answer and will not lose any or much points.

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Post #160 Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 3:18 pm 
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[go]$$Wc W=2 B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . . . . . B . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X O O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X . X . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Show me your eyes...

Still haven't decided if I want to kill or not. This move kind of says I want to kill but I'm not sure. It's ok if he lives in the corner as long as I keep the side and get to destroy the top.

I don't like this:

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[go]$$Wc W=2 B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . O a . |
$$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . . . . . b . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X O O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X . . , 1 . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X . X . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Because after white gets a or b:

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[go]$$Wc W=2 B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . 5 . . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , . . . . . X 3 1 . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 X 2 |
$$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X O O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X . . , O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X . X . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


(Obviously I wouldn't play :b2:, but the alternatives aren't real great either...)

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