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Post #21 Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 5:25 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm18 Move 18. Points from prisoners: W 0, B 0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X 1 . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #22 Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 6:41 pm 
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Can't black follow r15 with s15, instead of connecting straight away. Then white's choice is between a shut in corner, or a small group (stable or otherwise), that is easily split from his lower right group, on the outside of a big black corner.

I suppose I'm implying that the sequence he likes is mere wishful thinking :p. It looks kind of even (if not worse for black, it being white's turn and the pincer stone looking out of place), but is it reasonable to expect such a result locally when your group is so thin, you tenuki, and then you play for the corner?

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Post #23 Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 4:27 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm19 Move 19. Points from prisoners: W 0, B 0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . 1 X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Funnily enough I just ran into a very similar position in a problem from Cho Hun-Hyeon's Lectures on Go Techniques vol. 2.
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ------------------
$$ . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . Y . . X O . |
$$ . . . . . X O . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . O . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . Y . . |[/go]

The triangled stones may have been in slightly different places but the basic corner configuration was the same. My instinct was to extend:
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ------------------
$$ . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . B . . |
$$ . . . X . . X O . |
$$ . . . . . X O . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . O . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . X . . |[/go]

but I remember that this was considered too meek; I think White got out into the open too easily. I remember that the solution was the solid connection:
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ------------------
$$ . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . X . B X O . |
$$ . . . . . X O . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . O . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . X . . |[/go]

which feels a little tight but makes everything solid and leaves no weaknesses while putting the onus on White to shore up his position. The following seems clearly not to work well for White:
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ------------------
$$ . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . 2 . |
$$ . . . X . 1 X O . |
$$ . . . . . X O 4 . |
$$ . . . . . 6 3 5 . |
$$ . . . . . . O 7 . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . X . . |[/go]

so I think White has to play a more restrained move, which should then give me the initiative to jump out with my isolated stone.

It's a little dangerous to play moves that I remember reading about rather than ones that are my instinct, since it's easy to play them for the wrong reasons and not follow up well, but I felt pretty good about this one once I put the stone down. My main worry is that it might be a little overconcentrated, so I want to avoid lines that exacerbate that quality.

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Post #24 Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 6:06 pm 
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It's a little dangerous to play moves that I remember reading about rather than ones that are my instinct ...


When playing moves in a reasonably constrained local fight like this, isn't it better to choose moves based simply on reading out sequences? There are only a few reasonable local first moves to consider (e.g. atari, connect or extend), with similarly few reasonable choices in the following sequences ...

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Post #25 Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 6:24 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm20 Move 20. Points from prisoners: W 0, B 0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I believe my move is the proper move for eyeshape.

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[go]$$Wcm1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 1 3 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

At any time I can live like this.

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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 2 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

It's gote for him to take away that living option.

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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

If he plays :b1:, I play :w2:.

The only problem is that he has gotten more powerful in the area, so the top side is becoming a bit threatening again. I should aim to do something about that soon.

Anyway, my group is more or less settled for now, so let's see what he has planned next. I assume it will involve one of these two stones:
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[go]$$Bcm1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O , B . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

If he doesn't help the right stone, I could play as below at some point, and threaten his stone while running near to any top framework he tries to develop.

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #26 Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 8:27 am 
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[go]$$Bcm21 Move 21. Points from prisoners: W 0, B 0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Trying to seal him in while starting to build up a nice position on the upper side.

I first thought of playing :b1: below to deny White his tiger's mouth:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ------------------
$$ . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . X . X X O . |
$$ . . . . . X O . . |
$$ . . . . . 1 . O . |
$$ . . . . 3 2 O . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . X . . |[/go]

but after :w2: I really need to block him from getting out into the center, and :b3: is a much weaker stone in the ensuing struggle than my two stones are in this case:
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ------------------
$$ . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . X . X X O . |
$$ . . . . . X O . . |
$$ . . . . 3 2 . O . |
$$ . . . . 1 . O . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . X . . |[/go]

I hope the increased strength is worth the 1 or 2 point hit.

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Post #27 Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 8:32 am 
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It's a little dangerous to play moves that I remember reading about rather than ones that are my instinct ...

When playing moves in a reasonably constrained local fight like this, isn't it better to choose moves based simply on reading out sequences? There are only a few reasonable local first moves to consider (e.g. atari, connect or extend), with similarly few reasonable choices in the following sequences ...

Well, in a life and death situation I would certainly try to just read everything out. But in a case like this, nothing is in danger of dying, and it's more a question of assessing the relative values of the resulting positions after those sequences. That assessment is something that as a 4 kyu I really need to improve. So for example my initial instinct that protecting the corner territory is the #1 priority may be mistaken and keeping pressure on White's group is more important (as the problem in Cho's book I mentioned would imply).

This is also a skill I need to develop in chess as well. Sometimes I choose a tactical sequence and predict its outcome correctly, only to find that the position I was aiming for actually has some important strategic flaws.

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Post #28 Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 6:15 pm 
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... and it's more a question of assessing the relative values of the resulting positions after those sequences ...


Sure, but you still need to read them out so you can assess the result before your move is played.


I guess it's safe to post this now:

If black started this way after white made his 2 moves into the corner (which I think produces a decent result due to the black stone at R11), then white has a choice between a shut in corner, a small (but stable) group on the outside of a big black corner, or the corner and a really weak group splitting two black groups that couldn't care less about being connected.

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[go]$$Wcm18 Move 18. Points from prisoners: W 0, B 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . a X 1 . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . c X O 3 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . b 2 4 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Anyone can take the corner on their turn by playing at a (black could also play at c - if white has a and black has c, white needs another move to take the corner). White can make a group (weak or otherwise) on the outside with the cut at b.

If white wants a stable group on the outside, he just doesn't have time to come back and take the corner:
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[go]$$Wcm18 Move 18. Points from prisoners: W 0, B 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . a X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 O 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

There are a few ways it could go at this point, but I think it's clear that white still needs a couple of moves on the outside (and if he takes the corner now, his cutting stones will be no threat to the two black groups (and are in serious danger themselves). Black only needs a to secure his groups.

This looks nice for black (unless I've missed something?). I suppose white pushing through p17 and cutting with o18 might make things a little complicated.

Actually, after a bit of thought (and many many edits of this post, though I've left most of what I originally thought above ... :p), I guess if white wants a presence on the top side, he might just do that. Black gets a big corner, but then his top left stone may get a bit lonely ... So I guess simply connecting might be best after all ;).
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[go]$$Wcm18 Move 18. Points from prisoners: W 0, B 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 4 6 . a . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 3 2 X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . 1 X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Black may have to come back to a, depending.

I still think this doesn't look that good for white, since it looks like he changed his mind several times in the course of a fight, but it's so messy I dunno ...

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Post #29 Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 12:19 pm 
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I was at a wedding all of yesterday, so I didn't have an opportunity to move.

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[go]$$Wcm22 Move 22. Points from prisoners: W 0, B 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I'm not happy about my move. It is touching a weak stone, and touching weak stones is bad. Touching weak stones is bad because it forces your opponent to respond to the touch, making him stronger. Then, you yourself are touched, so you must respond and get stronger, and in the end everyone ends up stronger as a result. However, if you are already strong and your opponent is weak, making both of you stronger is not to your benefit. However, I feel I have no other choice.

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B 3 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 1 2 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

:bc: can't be laddered, and I end up sealed in. His weak group gets stronger, and my bottom-right group starts to feel weak.

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . 1 . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This might be playable, as I don't think I can get sealed-in in sente. This might actually be better, but I can hear shygost lecturing in his dogmatic way in my head "Don't get sealed in!" Fine, shygost, have it your way!

Anyway, I expect one of the following two things to happen:

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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 2 O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 1 X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . 5 . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ {LN N10 O4}[/go]

Even after :w6:, my group is still behind black's sector line, so the result isn't great.

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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 4 2 O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 3 1 X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I don't think he could seal my lower group in very effectively, so I should be okay.

Notice that by getting out, I am also hurting his top side somewhat. If I do end up sealed in, his top side becomes menacing.

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My last move may very well be a mistake. Maybe the top-left corner was better.

Oh well. He may be ahead right now, but one of us will do something to put me ahead again.

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Post #31 Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 5:46 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm23 Move 23. Points from prisoners: W 0, B 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . 1 , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Hmm, I am not happy with this development. I didn't think White could move out this fast, but I seem to be wrong - I can't find any good way to cut his connection.

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[go]$$Bc Doesn't look good
$$ ----------------
$$ . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . X . X X O . |
$$ . . . . X O . . |
$$ . . . . . . O . |
$$ . . . X 3 O . . |
$$ . . . . 2 1 . . |
$$ . . . . O 4 . . |
$$ . . . . . X . . |
$$ . . . . , . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . O . . . |[/go]


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[go]$$Bc W seems okay
$$ ----------------
$$ . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . X . X X O . |
$$ . . . . X O . . |
$$ . . . . . . O . |
$$ . . . X . O . . |
$$ . . . . 1 3 4 . |
$$ . . . . O 2 . . |
$$ . . . . . X . . |
$$ . . . . , . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . O . . . |[/go]

Nor can I find a good-looking way to prepare the cut.

This jump stays ahead in the sector-line race, and starts to make his lower group a little nervous.

I don't think either of his possible cuts works well for him:

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[go]$$Bc Lower group looking awfully weak
$$ ----------------
$$ . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . X . X X O . |
$$ . . . . X O . . |
$$ . . . . . . O . |
$$ . . . X . O . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . O . . . |
$$ . . . . 2 X 8 . |
$$ . . . 1 3 4 6 . |
$$ . . . . 9 5 7 . |
$$ . . . . O . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . O O . . |
$$ . . X . , X . . |
$$ O . . . X . . . |[/go]


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[go]$$Bc
$$ ----------------
$$ . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . X . X X O . |
$$ . . . . X O . . |
$$ . . . . . . O . |
$$ . . . X . O . . |
$$ . . . . 9 . . . |
$$ . . . 5 O . . . |
$$ . . 6 4 3 X . . |
$$ . . . 1 2 7 . . |
$$ . . . . 8 . . . |
$$ . . . . O . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . O O . . |
$$ . . X . , X . . |
$$ O . . . X . . . |[/go]

For a long time I thought I had to prepare the jump by pushing, which however felt like terrible aji-keshi:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ----------------
$$ . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . X . X X O . |
$$ . . . . X O . . |
$$ . . . . . . O . |
$$ . . . X . O . . |
$$ . . . . 2 . . . |
$$ . . . . O 1 . . |
$$ . . . . . X . . |
$$ . . . 3 , . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . O . . . |[/go]

but after looking at the above variations I don't think I need it.

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[go]$$Wcm24 Move 24. Points from prisoners: W 0, B 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I wasn't expecting this move by him. Originally, I was going to play this instead:

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

But then, this move seemed to good for him:

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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

So instead, I expect this to happen, and both of my groups will be able to make it out safely and with better footings than he has.

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X , 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Also, note that he can't cut off my stones very well:

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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 3 O 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 6 X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

So, I guess I'm finally getting into a fight in my Malkovich games :twisted: .

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[go]$$Wcm24 Move 24. Points from prisoners: W 0, B 0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 3 X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X 5 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #34 Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 5:57 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm25 Move 25. Points from prisoners: W 0, B 0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

OK, he is protecting his lower group while threatening mine, but it doesn't affect the get-out-into-the-center race much and I shouldn't be too unhappy at being forced to strengthen my group, although I'm not particularly psyched about any of the shapes I am being given the choice of making.

It looks like my options to protect the cut are the following:

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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O a . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . d X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X b c . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

a would really just be a prelude to one of the other three moves, and has the same aji-keshi issues as it did last move.

b doesn't seem to put much pressure on either side, plus W can force me into an empty triangle by playing at c and forcing me to connect at d.

c seems likely to end up as just a stick poking into his side after W follows up at b or d.

That leaves d:

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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This shape is harder to force into an empty triangle. It also threatens a nice seal at a.

I think the cut is actually threatened again, too:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 3 4 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 O 2 5 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X 7 . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Plus there may be a possibility to attach underneath his lower group at some point:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X 7 . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X . 3 2 8 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 O 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 O 6 4 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

And I don't think he can jump out too fast:

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 4 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 2 O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

In sum, I don't know if this situation is actually great for me, but it certainly seems better than the alternatives.

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[go]$$Wcm26 Move 26. Points from prisoners: W 0, B 0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Maybe he didn't play as I thought he would because of this?

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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X , 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I admit that feels painful to deal with, but now his keima two moves ago seems in error. I suck at tewari analysis, but I think I can handle this one:

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[go]$$Bcm25
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . b O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . B , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

:bc: is clearly out of place and would be much better at 'a', forcing me to play 'b'. Also, the exchange of :bc: for :wc: is clearly in white's favor. Black should have just extended from my shoulder hit two moves ago in the first place, and then he would not be left with the awkward :bc: stone.

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Post #36 Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 6:34 pm 
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I hope you don't mind my deliberate pace, Dusk Eagle - I like to think for a bit about my moves, plus I'm working 11-hour days right now in addition to trying to maintain a real life. Luckily you also have your game with Kerby :)

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[go]$$Bcm27 Move 27. Points from prisoners: W 0, B 0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I guess his last move was a point he couldn't allow me to take.

I had figured that if he did this I would jump out, but that doesn't seem to work out so well:
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . 1 2 X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 8 6 3 . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . 5 O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Maybe that is better than it looks (is his lower right group in any danger?) but it scares me.

Atariing the other way doesn't seem to work any better:
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 4 X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . 1 2 X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

So I'm going to go slow and steady. I'm still doing well sector-line wise, and would consider it a victory if I could seal in either group (the lower right is already awfully close).

I think it would be dangerous for White to make a one-space jump with his upper group, but I'll get to those variations if we get there.

By the way, pushing underneath would still kind of be aji-keshi, but it could force him into an empty triangle:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X a O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I'm not sure if he could get away with a instead of :w2:.

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Post #37 Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 8:08 pm 
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It's no problem with me, I'm not playing more than a couple moves per game a day anyway. I couldn't handle it.

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[go]$$Wcm28 Move 28. Points from prisoners: W 0, B 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

There's no question that I have to move out, and so which of these four moves is best?

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . b . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . c . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . d . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

'a' touches a weak group, which will only make it stronger. That is inconsiderable.

'd' leans on a weak group to gain strength, but I'm worried about hurting :wc: too much. I still want to be able to use it. I also see no need to give him even more outside strength, it's not like I can launch a very severe attack on his weakest group after this sequence:

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 1 . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . 4 X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


'b' and 'c' were the two options I was mainly debating. I chose 'c' over 'b' for the follow-up move of :w3: if I can get it:

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

P.S. He should beware the dangers of overthinking. There's nothing wrong with thinking a lot about a move, but sometimes if you're not careful you end up with something crazy that is complete garbage. Of course, I must make sure my thinking doesn't devolve into that either.

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Post #38 Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 6:50 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm29 Move 29. Points from prisoners: W 0, B 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I had to think for a while about this.

I so much want to play on the upper side star point. Doesn't this look beautiful?

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[go]$$Bc Ahhhh
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . B . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

But allowing White to seal me in at the bottom is super painful. It would 1) connect his lower right group out (not that it is in real danger, but still), 2) finally strengthen his lonely lower side stone, and 3) start walling off lower side territory.

If I manage to seal him in, on the other hand, 1) my middle right group is safe, 2) his lower right group needs to live on its own, which means I could get a bunch of nice endgame, and 3) I'm hovering over his lower side stone threatening to eat it up. 1) is probably the most important, as I am loath to create another weak group while that one is hanging out there.

I couldn't find a safe way to move out farther, so it's the kosumi once again. Slow and steady...

I don't know how sente this really is, but if all the above points are as important as I'm telling myself they are, I really do need to play here and will have great followups if he tenukis. And hey, still ahead in both sector fights!

By the way, I noticed that this point could become a little tender later:

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[go]$$Bc Doink
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Just something to keep in mind in the future.

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Post #39 Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2010 7:04 am 
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I'm going on a camping trip this weekend, so I won't be able to play any moves until ~Sunday night.

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Post #40 Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 12:22 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm30 Move 30. Points from prisoners: W 0, B 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I can't say whether or not this is a good move. It is the best move I could think of to break his sector line and prevent getting sealed in without hurting my bottom stone too much. It also helps cover the marked weakness in my shape:
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O , X . . . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . C . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

There's nothing else I can really say about this move *shrug*.

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