I am looking for a book that is a more updated version of 37 basic joseki from the elementary series. A book that ideally keeps to one volume and discusses the major joseki.

Any ideas?

Thanks!

Why do you think 37 basic joseki is not up to date enough?

Probably because it's missing one fundamental joseki

/joke

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Good point. I forgot the title name myself.

I had to google it to be sure, but 37 is prime and I would have remembered that at least

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I feel a lot of the moves are outdated as joseki has changed a bit these past few decades.

Do you mean a heavily commented one like 38 Basic Joseki? Or a book showing you variations with minimum comments?

I don't know it is that josekis, at least at the kyu level, have changed as much as it is that news ones have been invented. But I would think that 38 Basic Joseki would be every bit as useful for the kyu player (and most dans) as any modern version.

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Probably it's biggest flaw is that it deals almost totally with the low approach to 3-4 and in kyu games the high approach is far more common. In terms of high approach pincers it only covers one of black's responses to the low one space pincer.

I guess "Essential Joseki" (Yutopian Enterprises) might be considered an updated 38 basic joseki in that it's a single volume survey of joseki - but in practice it's a more complicated book (or at least I find it to be) and I think 38 basic joseki is a good place to start (and Essential Joseki is out of print I think). I haven't read Robert's joseki books but they might be worth considering too, e.g.

http://home.snafu.de/jasiek/EasyLearningJoseki.html

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How about Takao's ?

Doesn't keep to one volume, so I threw it out.

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However, in certain circumstances, it can still be the best move. So I think learning joseki, old or new, can help you to recognize good shapes. When you know details of why a "new joseki" is better than an "old joseki", you understand both better. I think it's interesting, and educational to go through the history of joseki as it changes.

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Yes, but I don't know if Subotai knows about Takao's.
Regardless if he knows of its existence, maybe he'll change his mind about the ideally one volume thing.
Maybe he thinks it's worth it. Better to give him the options to decide for himself.

I happen to find Takao (and its predecessor, Ishida) excellent.
So my preference is to suggest something nice.

Different strokes.

I was curious about Takao vs Ishida. Easier for me to get a hold of Ishida.

Sure it is joseki. Joseki means established pattern and it is well established. Whether it is still considered good is a different matter. Perhaps pros may have abandoned it (I don't know but I assume so from your comment) but it is still playable by amateurs because the difference it makes is less than the randomness of their play. So For amateurs I don't think it makes a lot of difference and it can still be considered an established pattern.

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Hi Boidhre, I find both excellent.

In fact, I find it excellent to have both series.
Excellent to study where they agree, and where they differ!

Mr. Bozulich decided to change the format from Ishida's 3 smaller volumes ( 14.9 x 20.9 cm )
to Takao's 2 larger volumes ( 18.2 x 25.7 cm ).

I would've preferred the three, smaller, volume format.

I don't usually find myself in need of a single volume of ~300 pages of ( 14.9 x 20.9 cm ) joseki knowledge in one hand.
( Of course, computers are a different story. )

I'm not trying to be unnecessarily antagonising in general, and certainly not to you specifically Brian, but how many semi-common josekis do us participants of L19 really actually understand? I mean, if professional research takes a certain line out of favour and we hear that it's "no longer considered joseki", do we even have the reading skills to fully comprehend why that's the case, even if someone tried to explain it to us?

Perhaps I'm being unnecessarily pessimistic of our Great Go Skillz, but I suspect learning joseki by rote, regardless of new or old, is still probably not all that fruitful an exercise. Certainly many joseki sequences have particularly ugly shapes, because they end up all about precise liberty management, and others are sort of nebulous in terms of what they return for one player, depending on what's going on elsewhere. Sure, it's useful to learn things like "this is only a good idea if ladder X works for you", but yeah .. I'll stop, I'm rambling

I do prefer Takao's, since I like seeing the newer joseki outlined a bit. It's probably a bigger difference in Yoda's new fuseki compared to the old fuseki books.

Yes, it means established pattern, but maybe if it's not good, some might say that it's no longer an established pattern

To be honest, I'm a little confused on it as well, because I've seen distinction in go books between Joseki and an "even" position. So on one hand, I feel joseki != even.

But I've heard pros that have joseki (or the equivalent jungsuk) in their native language say that "this is no longer joseki". So the usage saying that joseki is a living and changing thing still exists.

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