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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: ??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)
Post #161 Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 3:20 pm 
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[go]$$Wc W=2 B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . W . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X O O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X . X . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
so he goes for the kill...and i am scared.. :) all i need is few points...i already have enough to beat him...

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Offline Joaz Banbeck
 Post subject: Re: ??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)
Post #162 Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 3:49 pm 
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I haven't looked at this thread in a while. Has anyone else, player or observer, mentioned this:

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[go]$$Wc W=2 B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . . . . . B . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X O O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X 2 X . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O 1 O . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O 5 4 3 O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline Chew Terr
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Post #163 Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 3:54 pm 
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Joaz:
Magicwand did, here: viewtopic.php?p=18349#p18349

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Offline daniel_the_smith
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Post #164 Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 8:08 am 
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[go]$$Wc W=2 B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . B O . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X O O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X . X . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If he lives in the corner in gote I'm pretty sure I will win this game.

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Offline Magicwand
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Post #165 Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 8:10 am 
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[go]$$Wc W=2 B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X O O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X . X . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #166 Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 8:22 am 
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My sealed move:

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[go]$$Wc W=2 B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . O B . |
$$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X O O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X . X . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #167 Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 8:53 am 
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My first instinct:

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[go]$$Wc Option 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 B O 4 . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , 5 . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . 2 . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . O 1 . |
$$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X O O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X . X . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I do not think he can BOTH live in the corner AND protect S13. If he makes the top too big I cannot win, and he will get sente after I kill the group on the right side. However I keep the corner this way. (count: W: 75, B: 80)

But is this better? It's less murky (i.e., I don't have to depend on killing a white group):

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[go]$$Wc Option 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . 7 8 . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . 4 . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . O X O . 3 2 . . . . . . O B . |
$$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X O O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X O O 5 6 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X . X . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This way, he gets the corner, I get the side, and no one gets the top. (count: W: 70 B: 75)

I'm not sure, I need to think about it a bit.

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Post #168 Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 9:01 am 
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Daniel's peep isn't a peep :(

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[go]$$Wc Option 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . 7 8 . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . 4 . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . O X O . 3 2 . . . . . . O B . |
$$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X O O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X O O 5 6 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X . X . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This I think is more likely to go something like:

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[go]$$Wc Option 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . . 3 . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . O X O . 4 2 . . . . . . O B . |
$$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X O O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X . X . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . 5 O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #169 Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 10:55 am 
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[go]$$Wc W=2 B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . O B . |
$$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X O O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X . X . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I chose this way because I don't have to worry about killing a white group. Also see that thread on the "marginal advantage" that's around here somewhere.

White can take the top and live in the corner like this:

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[go]$$Wc W=2 B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 O 3 . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . 1 . . O 4 X O . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . O B . |
$$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X O O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X . X . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


But the top should be easy to reduce because I have sente and get P18, so I don't think this is a good choice for white.

My counting assumes I get b8 and he gets r2. Let's hope it actually works out that way...

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Post #170 Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 12:37 pm 
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[go]$$Wc W=2 B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . W . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X O O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X . X . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

if he know his weakness at bottom ...i probably lose... i will go with he doesnt know.. :( that seems only way to win

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Post #171 Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:51 am 
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[go]$$Wc W=2 B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . B . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X O O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X . X . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


OK, here's the moves I thought about in no particular order.

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[go]$$Wc W=2 B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . c O . X O . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . e . . . a . X . . . |
$$ | . X O g . . d . f . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . O X O . . b . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X O O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X . X . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


a: I gain, but white gets most of the top. No good.
b: Unfortunately, not sente. White will take the top. (Actually cutting the group off IS sente, but threatening to do so is not.)
c: Forces white into my area and allows him to get too much of the top.
d: Threatens to get a ko in the top corner later. I don't think it'll be sente right now.
e: Not sente against his dragon.
f: Bad shape vibes for me (kinda need d first)
g: I almost played here last night. Probe to see if he wants to fight a ko or kill these outright. Basically I'm asking him if d is sente. But I already know what he'll choose, so no need to probe.

Well, there's more details than what I wrote, I did quite some reading on some of these. Ask if you want more.

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Offline Magicwand
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Post #172 Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 1:20 pm 
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[go]$$Wc W=2 B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . X . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , W . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X O O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X . X . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline zinger
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Post #173 Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:04 pm 
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so he goes for the kill...and i am scared.. :) all i need is few points...i already have enough to beat him...

< 4 moves later >

if he know his weakness at bottom ...i probably lose... i will go with he doesnt know.. :( that seems only way to win


Hahah make up your mind :razz:

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Offline Joaz Banbeck
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Post #174 Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:15 pm 
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Moves that I would have looked at when considering black's last move:

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[go]$$Wc W=2 B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . O . O . c . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . a . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X O O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . b X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X . X . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Move 'a' is the border between two moyos, and, as the proverb says, is worth double.

Move 'b' looks big and gote, but may actually be sente.

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[go]$$c if 2 tenukis
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . W . |
$$ | . . . . . O 5 . . . . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . O . O . 3 . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X O O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X . X . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline k43r
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Post #175 Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:23 pm 
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[go]$$Bc W=2 B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . 9 O . . . . . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . O 2 O 7 5 8 . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O 1 3 4 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X O O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X . X . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I don't see how it cna be bad for black o_0
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Post #176 Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 2:58 pm 
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Does he want to kill me? I don't think that's reasonable. Still, hard move to answer. I think that was a mistake for him (provided I live), I think he needed to make more points on the top than he will with this move. Maybe he will resign if I live? :mrgreen: Wishful thinking, I know...

I'm torn between a and b. c is no good. Gonna sit on this one for a bit.

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[go]$$Wc W=2 B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . b . . . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . a . X . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . c O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X O O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X . X . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Offline daniel_the_smith
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Post #177 Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 12:03 pm 
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[go]$$Wc W=2 B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . B . X . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X O O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X . X . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Reading is everything.

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Offline Magicwand
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Post #178 Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 12:07 pm 
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[go]$$Wc W=2 B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . X . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X O O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X . X . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #179 Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 12:15 pm 
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[go]$$Wc W=2 B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . X B . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X O O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X . X . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Wow, I might make points on top. Don't see how he can win this way.

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Post #180 Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 12:18 pm 
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X O O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . W X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X X . X . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . X O . O . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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