[go]$$Bc 56A: W 28, B 26 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . X O X . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . W O X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . , . . . . . , C . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Violence wrote:I was going to play there.
I really wanted to get F6 for us. It was worth double. If we get it, it endangers two of their groups. If they get it, we are locked in on the left. If Violence likes it, enough to play it in - what appears to be - gote, it probably is a threat to kill us.
The most vigorous attack that I can see at first glance is not lethal, but it does give black territory in the lower left in sente. Just that sequence is worth more that two points to black, so I can cut our losses by changing the move and making the total loss less.
$$Bc B10 and 'a' are miai to live $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . X O X . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 3 O X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 2 O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | 4 1 O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | 8 X X O X . X . . , . . . . . , W . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | a 6 . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 5 7 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . 9 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bc B10 and 'a' are miai to live $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . X O X . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 3 O X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 2 O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | 4 1 O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | 8 X X O X . X . . , . . . . . , W . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | a 6 . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 5 7 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . 9 O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
The move that I chose is sente, for it threatens to kill the black corner. It burns a ko threat, but it does preserve the left side group against whatever evil things Violence is contemplating.
Also, most importantly, it sends a message to Chew Terr: "This is the second time your tenuki has been unapproved. Please focus on the urgent moves, not the big ones."
Oh, I'm stupid, I think? I think this is sente, so we can probably do it to get those points for free, now that it's not at the expense of our running group, necessarily. I had read to see that we lived on the side (I still think we can), but, on seeing us alive, erroneously thought that the side wasn't worth worrying about yet. This move, however, seems to be enough points in sente to be worth Joaz's correction and then some.
Someday I want to be strong enough to earn KGS[-].
[go]$$Bc 57A: W 28, B 26 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | B X O X . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | 2 O O X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | 1 . O X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 3 O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
This is why I'm not sold on Joaz's correction. It seems to me like, unless we block in gote, black can still reduce this space to nothing. However, it's not worth blocking in gote unless we need the eyespace to live. I still think we can make an eye below in emergency, so I'm going to go ahead and tenuki. If I'm wrong, one of my brothers will have to correct me again and I'll be really embarassed. But I can only play on my reading, and that means making the move I made before for the same reason.
Someday I want to be strong enough to earn KGS[-].
Imo, if White doesn't block, then he should take time to pincer the black top group. If both groups get strong on top then the white cutting stones become meaningless.
[go]$$Bc 57B: W 28, B 28 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X . W . . . , X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . , . . . . . , C . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Sigh. Younger brother is correct that it still does not protect our teritory, and also correct that it is probably not worth playing in gote. But he still wants to play big before urgent.
I looked at the left side some more. They can't kill us. The group that could get in trouble is in the center. If black plays something like this...
$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . 1 . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . , . . . . . , W . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . 1 . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X . . . . . , X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . , . . . . . , W . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
...then our center group is going to be in serious trouble. I was never in favor of creating that group, but now it has become the go equivalent of the Lehman Brothers - it is too big to let it die.
There is only one reasonable way to make it alive without resorting to multiple gote moves: we have to attack black's upper group in the hope of starting a fight in which we can strengthen our group in sente.
Black has to defend, of course. And he can't stop after just one move.
$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X 7 5 . 4 . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X 6 . 1 2 . . 3 . . . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X . W . . . , X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . . 8 . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . , . . . . . , . . . |
[go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X 7 5 . 4 . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X 6 . 1 2 . . 3 . . . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X . W . . . , X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . . 8 . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . , . . . . . , . . . |[/go]
[go]$$Bc 5?A: W 30, B 28 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O X O X . X . O . . . , X . . | $$ | X X O X . X O O X . . 1 . . . . . . . | $$ | . O O X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O C . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O X . X . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Idea's right, I prefer the other direction though. Now our left side group is solid and happy, I want to attack that big dragon in a major way. If he gets out, hopefully the thickness we've got in the process will let us come back and swallow this stone or at least make it live tiny small, but the top right is too vulnerable for my tastes to give White tenuki after in that last diagram. I'll be interested to see which of these two Violence prefers ...
in that last diagram. I'll be interested to see which of these two Violence prefers ...