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Offline Solomon
 Post subject: Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)
Post #141 Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 8:07 pm 
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Vg jvyy or irel vagrerfgvat gb frr ubj Juvgr unaqyrf gur pragre tebhc. Nf J, V jbhyq gel gb nggnpx S6 gb frggyr (gur orfg qrsrafr vf bssrafr), naq vqrnyyl raq hc jvgu fragr.

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Post #142 Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 8:22 pm 
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Vg jvyy or irel vagrerfgvat gb frr ubj Juvgr unaqyrf gur pragre tebhc. Nf J, V jbhyq gel gb nggnpx S6 gb frggyr (gur orfg qrsrafr vf bssrafr), naq vqrnyyl raq hc jvgu fragr.



Va yvtug bs guvf irel ernfbanoyr fhttrfgvba, V punatr zl cerqvpgvba gb: juvgr chfurf nybat gur 8gu enax sbe bar be gjb zbirf, gura cynlf Z4

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Post #143 Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 8:25 pm 
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For anyone confused:
They're moving each letter in their comments by 13 places.

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Post #144 Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 8:34 pm 
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Offline Joaz Banbeck
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Post #145 Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 8:39 pm 
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Offline Bill Spight
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Post #146 Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 8:41 pm 
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Offline daniel_the_smith
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Post #147 Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 8:47 pm 
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I sure hope rot13ing one's thoughts doesn't become standard... :/

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I sure hope rot13ing one's thoughts doesn't become standard... :/

It's horribly insecure compared to the double rot13 we've been using so far, but then araban got lazy...

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Post #149 Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 4:19 pm 
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Sorry, I had business to attend to all of today.

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . X O X O X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . W . . X X O . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O X X . O . O . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think victory is within arm's reach.

Ok... after I've done some reading... I'm pretty confident that this can't end well for him.

Maybe... he'll soon understand.

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Offline mitsun
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Post #150 Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 6:12 pm 
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Going back a few moves (not for players) ...
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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . X O X O X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . B . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . e . O O O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . d . X . . X . O . O . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X a . X . X . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O b . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . X O c . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O W . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This B move looks like the wrong direction. B is already reasonably thick and safe in the center, while both sides are thin below. Maybe B is expecting to trick W somehow, but if W just ignores this atari, he gets to move first in the more critical fight below. I think any of the marked moves would leave B with the advantage in this fight, but if W gets to play first, it could go either way.
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Offline Magicwand
 Post subject: Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)
Post #151 Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 6:41 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . X O X O X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X X O . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O X X . O . O . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O . B . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
as i explained earlier...this exchange feels good for black.

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Offline Joaz Banbeck
 Post subject: Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)
Post #152 Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:04 pm 
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mitsun wrote:
Going back a few moves ...
This B move looks like the wrong direction.


A very good observation. I would have connected thus:

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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . X O X O X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . B . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . 1 X . O . O . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X . . X . X . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O W . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #153 Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 5:22 am 
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Going back a few moves (not for players) ...
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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . X O X O X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . B . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X O . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . e . O O O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . d . X . . X . O . O . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . X a . X . X . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O b . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . X O c . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O W . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This B move looks like the wrong direction. B is already reasonably thick and safe in the center, while both sides are thin below. Maybe B is expecting to trick W somehow, but if W just ignores this atari, he gets to move first in the more critical fight below. I think any of the marked moves would leave B with the advantage in this fight, but if W gets to play first, it could go either way.

Still not for players until the end.
I disagree. If w moves there then he has split black and will be able to get points from attacking the weak groups created.
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Offline Joaz Banbeck
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Post #154 Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 9:12 am 
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Stable wrote:
I disagree. If w moves there then he has split black and will be able to get points from attacking the weak groups created.


It isn't a question of whether or not to create a weak group. Violence has cleverly created a situation in which there will be a weak group regardless of what Magicwand does. It only remains to magicwand to choose which group becomes weak.

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Offline Magicwand
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Post #155 Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 9:52 am 
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assuming he connect at 'a'
there is only one way he can go.
which is below picture.
i think i am ok.
yea..maybe i should have connected my group..i am not sure yet...but i know i am still ahead and kept everything simple.
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . X O X O X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . 5 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . B . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . X X O . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 O X 4 . O O O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 2 . X O X X . O . O . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O a X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #156 Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 11:39 am 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . X O X O X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X X O . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O X X . O . O . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O W X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I have to play this for better endgame later.
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Post #157 Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 11:50 am 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . X O X O X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . X X O . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . B . . O O O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O X X . O . O . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #158 Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 12:33 pm 
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Now this is getting interesting!

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Post #159 Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 10:58 am 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | X . X O . . O . X X . O . X . X O . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . O O X . . X . . X X O . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . X O X O X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . X O X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . W O . . X X O . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O O O . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O X X . O . O . O O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X X O . X . X . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X O O . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . X O . X . . . X . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This looks like a sacrifice plan... take it easy and read it...
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 Post subject: Re: 56. Violence(?d) vs Magicwand(3d)
Post #160 Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 11:09 am 
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Violence wrote:
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This looks like a sacrifice plan... take it easy and read it...


@Violence:
Who is sacrificing what? We want diagrams!

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