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by Uberdude Fri May 22, 2015 6:32 am
SoDesuNe wrote: No way, José! You tenuki'd
and I think settling the shapes at the bottom is more important than points in the corner. Especially when I'm longing to plop some stones in the center.
There's a tricky psychological element here. If we assume that SoDesuNe is correct that the lower side is more urgent that answering in the corner, then even if the best move is to play there now that means incurring a loss in the top right from giving white two moves in a row there. The fact topazg has played those moves in the top left and then this move suggests he may not view the lower side as urgent, so if black answers this attachment probe white might not come back to "correct" his mistake and play at the bottom but do something else. In which case SoDesuNe could have his cake and eat it by answering here so as not to incur the loss in this corner, topazg does his move somewhere else that's not so important, and then he plays the lower side. In a real game you can see where your opponent is looking on the board to help make this decision
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by skydyr Fri May 22, 2015 7:14 am
Uberdude wrote:
SoDesuNe wrote: No way, José! You tenuki'd
and I think settling the shapes at the bottom is more important than points in the corner. Especially when I'm longing to plop some stones in the center.
There's a tricky psychological element here. If we assume that SoDesuNe is correct that the lower side is more urgent that answering in the corner, then even if the best move is to play there now that means incurring a loss in the top right from giving white two moves in a row there. The fact topazg has played those moves in the top left and then this move suggests he may not view the lower side as urgent, so if black answers this attachment probe white might not come back to "correct" his mistake and play at the bottom but do something else. In which case SoDesuNe could have his cake and eat it by answering here so as not to incur the loss in this corner, topazg does his move somewhere else that's not so important, and then he plays the lower side. In a real game you can see where your opponent is looking on the board to help make this decision
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by Uberdude Fri May 22, 2015 8:32 am
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by SoDesuNe Fri May 22, 2015 8:32 am
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by Uberdude Fri May 22, 2015 8:52 am
This turn locally feels nice, but it makes this cut less appealing with the empty triangle it creates:
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by bayu Fri May 22, 2015 12:07 pm
If something sank it might be a treasure. And 2kyu advice is not necessarily Dan repertoire..
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by Uberdude Fri May 22, 2015 12:39 pm
@bayu
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It depends what I think I can do inside white's left side with moves like c8 and d6. If nothing works then I might let white strengthen it and then play more severely on the lower group.
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by topazg Fri May 22, 2015 5:06 pm
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by Kirby Fri May 22, 2015 7:44 pm
be immersed
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by Bill Spight Fri May 22, 2015 9:27 pm
The Adkins Principle:At some point, doesn't thinking have to go on?
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by SoDesuNe Sat May 23, 2015 2:43 am
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by topazg Sat May 23, 2015 9:33 am
$$Wcm50 :b1: :w100:
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by SoDesuNe Sat May 23, 2015 9:37 am
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by topazg Sat May 23, 2015 9:42 am
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by Bill Spight Sat May 23, 2015 9:56 am
The Adkins Principle:At some point, doesn't thinking have to go on?
and I think settling the shapes at the bottom is more important than points in the corner. Especially when I'm longing to plop some stones in the center.
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