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Offline emeraldemon
 Post subject: Re: 45. emeraldemon (3k) vs. tj86430 (7k)
Post #61 Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 7:49 am 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . O X . X X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . W . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . X X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I might should have made this a trigger. I don't see how I could make any other move in this situation. After the extremely likely exchange below, I have to decide if I can tennuki. List of places I'd like to play: a,b,c,d (in rough priority order)
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . a . . X . . . O X . X X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . b . |
$$ | . . X . O O . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 2 3 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . W 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . X X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . d . . . . . . . c O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #62 Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 11:39 am 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . O X . X X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O B . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . X X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Expected, and still pretty much the only move I can think of. There is aji around H4, but I think (hope) I can handle it. If he pushes at H8, I keep on pushing, if he double hanes at J8 I need to do some serious reading to find out the best continuation (I don't think he will, though). I don't think he'll tenuki.

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Post #63 Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 12:10 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . O X . X X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . W . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . X X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Already knew this was coming.
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Post #64 Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 12:32 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . O X . X X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O B . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . X X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Still as expected. I'm happy with this (perhaps I should'nt be?). I think I'm somewhat ahead.

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Post #65 Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 5:15 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . W . . X . . . O X . X X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . X X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think I can tennuki ok, and there are a lot of big points I'd like to get to.
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Post #66 Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 9:29 am 
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I'm extremely sorry for the long delay, I have been quite busy, and I will continue to do so for a couple of days. I will try to post my next move before weekend.

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Post #67 Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 10:36 am 
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Take your time. While we wait, here are some of my thoughts:
So there are a few interesting areas. Of course one question is the top: does B need to play there, and if so where?

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[go]$$Bcm1 black takes territory
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . X . . . O X . X X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . X X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Black 1 above is pretty large and removes any lingering aji. But it's still early enough in the game that it may be gote. If B tennukis, can W do something?

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[go]$$Wcm1 White tries to cause trouble
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . 3 X . . . O X . X X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . 2 1 O . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . X X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm1 Different trouble
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O 5 2 X . . . O X . X X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . 4 3 1 O . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . X X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I would be happy to get this cut, I think there is some good potential there. The fight looks hard for W, but maybe I can still make something happen.

What about the position I played away from on the left?

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[go]$$Bcm1 Black damages left
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . W . . X . . . O X . X X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . 5 . . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . 6 2 1 . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 3 O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 4 O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . X X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This is good for black, but I can be OK. One threat from that sequence is a big moyo along the top: my two stones aren't strictly connected, and the white group is pretty thin:

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[go]$$Bcm1 black takes the top
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . W . . X . . . O X . X X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . |
$$ | . . X . O O . . . . . . . O O 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . X X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I do get a move underneath this way, but it's maybe not as big as losing the top. If i try to save it:

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[go]$$Bcm1 White has trouble living
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . W . . X . . . O X . X X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . . 4 . . 5 . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . 2 3 . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . . . . . . . O O 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . X X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So these are some of the moves I'm worrying about at the moment. If anyone has any questions or comments, please feel free to add them. Even if I can't read them, I feel less like I'm just talking to myself.
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Post #68 Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 11:03 am 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . X . . . O X . X X . |
$$ | . . . , . B . . . , O . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . X X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I really would like to play at R12, but if I play there my E14 group and possibly the whole upper side may get into trouble. I looked into several different moves to strengthen the connection between F14 and J15, but the problem with all of them was that they were gote. I'm hoping he will answer at F17, after which I think I can play R12.

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . W O . . X . . . O X . X X . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . , O . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . X X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Is this good for B, or aji keshi?
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Post #70 Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 10:55 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O . . X . . . O X . X X . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . , O . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . B . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . X X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


According to the plan. I can sacrifice F16 if necessary as long as F14 stays connected to J15 and L16 and O17 don't live. This should also be sente, since it threatens e.g. P13.

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Post #71 Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 7:14 am 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O . . X . . . O X . X X . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . , O . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . W . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . X X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If I connect, I think I'll have trouble living. Better to secure myself first and then see what I can do.
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Offline k43r
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Post #72 Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 12:03 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O . . X . . . O X . X X . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . , O . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . . 1 . . W . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X . O O . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . X X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Maaaan, it might not work, but it looks perfect.
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Post #73 Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 12:43 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O . . X . . . O X . X X . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . , O . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . X B . |
$$ | . . X . O O . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . X X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Normal continuation. Should still be sente. Currently I'm quite happy with the situation, I think I'm slightly ahead.

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Post #74 Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 9:03 am 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O . . X . . . O X . X X . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . , O . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . . W . . O . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X . O O . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . X X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think this was a little mistake for black. Cutting off the two white stones gives black a large (maybe 15+ points) area along the top. Connecting here seems very big.
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Post #75 Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 9:20 am 
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For Emerald Demon:
It seems to me that your opponent is doing quite admirably for his rank. How would you say the game is going? How do you feel the game has been going, and do you have any invasions or reductions planned for his framework/territories?

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Post #76 Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 10:29 am 
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Chew Terr wrote:
For Emerald Demon:
It seems to me that your opponent is doing quite admirably for his rank. How would you say the game is going? How do you feel the game has been going, and do you have any invasions or reductions planned for his framework/territories?


Yes, I think either he is playing better than his rank, or I'm playing worse than mine! I count myself to be about 6-8 points behind right now, and the game is late enough that it'll be pretty hard to make it up. As for the game progress so far, I said already I regret the invasion along the upper right side. I'd like afterwards to come back and look at that position again. I'm also beginning to think sacrificing my two stones on top was a misplay, although I think black was too soft in responding on the left, so I have a big side there now.

To me the big open area is the bottom: black is threatening to make 10+ points along the bottom, but I have some oppenings on both sides. I'll have to think some about how to respond there. I'm also still looking for a way to use my two stones to create some aji on the top, but there may not be much there. We'll just have to see, I guess.
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[go]$$ Would this work?
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 2 3 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O . 4 X . . . O X . X X . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . 5 O . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . . O . . O . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X . O O . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . X X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . 1 . . . . . . 6 . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #77 Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 2:44 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O . . X . . . O X . X X . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . , O . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . . O . . O . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X . O O . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . B . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . X X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This looks like the biggest point.

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Post #78 Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 6:25 pm 
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Are they both counting the entire top middle as black? I would only count the top right and that bottom, right, middle area for black. It seems to me white should be able to do something with the stone at L16. Anyone else think so?

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Post #79 Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 4:55 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O . . X . . . O X . X X . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . , O . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . . O . . O . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X . O O . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . W X . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . X X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


not much i can do about this
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Post #80 Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 11:54 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O . . X . . . O X . X X . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . , O . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . . O . . O . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X . O O . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . B . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O X . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . X X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm envisioning something like:
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O . . X . . . O X . X X . |
$$ | . . . , . X . . . , O . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . X . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . . . . O . . O . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X . O O . . . . . 3 . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . 2 1 . , . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O X . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . . X X X O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This is gote for me, but I'm not sure if I have good sente moves

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