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Offline Kie
 Post subject: Re: 58. Kie (1d) vs. k43r (1k)
Post #41 Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 2:47 pm 
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . X O . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . W . X O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X X O O . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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 Post subject: Re: 58. Kie (1d) vs. k43r (1k)
Post #42 Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 3:43 pm 
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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . X O . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline Kie
 Post subject: Re: 58. Kie (1d) vs. k43r (1k)
Post #43 Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 11:21 pm 
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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . X O . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . X O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . W . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Well, I must move out for sure.
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 Post subject: Re: 58. Kie (1d) vs. k43r (1k)
Post #44 Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 2:01 am 
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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . X O . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O 2 X O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Let me know if...

I wish I could write anything, but it' still kind of forced. Now I am trying to lean on lower group, to be able to jump.
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Offline Kie
 Post subject: Re: 58. Kie (1d) vs. k43r (1k)
Post #45 Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 2:07 am 
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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . X O . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O X O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



I will move out again keeping him split, I still have the force-move at (a) so the lower group is not so easy to kill.
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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . X O . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O X O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . a O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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 Post subject: Re: 58. Kie (1d) vs. k43r (1k)
Post #46 Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 2:11 am 
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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . X O . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O X O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline Kie
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Post #47 Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 2:19 am 
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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . X O . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O X O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . W . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Let's see.
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Offline k43r
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Post #48 Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 12:00 pm 
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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . X O . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O X O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X B . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


In some of these sequences I can find sente, in all of them is aji. I'll write diagrams later - now it's party time!
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Post #49 Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 12:17 pm 
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . X O . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O X O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . W X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


There is some aji in the corner:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . X O . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O X O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O 6 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X 7 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O 1 |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . O O O X 8 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X 2 X X X 9 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 4 3 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


cont...

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . X O . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O X O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O O 1 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . O O O X 2 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X X X X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X 3 5 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I will not try this immediately if black connects, but just the mere fact that it exists helps the fighting for white.
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 Post subject: Re: 58. Kie (1d) vs. k43r (1k)
Post #50 Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 12:27 pm 
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[go]$$Bc (7 at 4)
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . X O . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O X O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . 8 O 2 6 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . W X X 3 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O 1 |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . O O O X 4 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X X 5 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If I am white, I would force the sequence up to :b7: before connecting at :w8:. The reason is because if white connects at :w8: first, then the two stones may become disposable.

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Offline k43r
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Post #51 Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 12:29 pm 
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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . X O . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O X O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . B O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Post #52 Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 12:46 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . X O . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O X O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . B O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X W |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'll just take the life here, now black has 3 weak groups and white has 1 so this seems ok. I just hope it isn't too slack.
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Post #53 Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 5:33 am 
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Thanks to the last two exchanges White cannot contain my lower-center group. (I've got 4 gorups on one side!)

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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . X O . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O X O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 5 3 X . B O 7 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 8 4 . 6 O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . 1 O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 X . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I am now thinking between m13, l14 and s18


Woah, forgot to close hide tag >_>


Last edited by k43r on Sat Jul 03, 2010 10:46 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Post #54 Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 10:42 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . X O . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O X O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . B X O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #56 Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 10:54 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X W . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . X O . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O X O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Time to kill. Essentially all my groups are alive and I pocketed quite a bit of cash here. Black still not 100% ok with his groups yet, but got some thickness in exchange.
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Offline k43r
 Post subject: Re: 58. Kie (1d) vs. k43r (1k)
Post #57 Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 3:17 pm 
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Ha! This group gave me 1 move outside, and as a board is now very hot it might not be that big loss.

First let's count
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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . S S S |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O # W S |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O # # S S |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . X O . O O # # S |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O X O X O # S |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X O O X X O O S |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . S S |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O S . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O # # O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X X C |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . C C C C |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . C C C C C |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Black has lower right corner wchich is worth 9 points, White has 28. I am 17 points behind. But, I had gained influence. I have Two sequences in my mind.
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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 7 6 8 . . . O O X W . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . 5 4 2 . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . 9 , 3 X O . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 1 O O X O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

And white has to secure his group!
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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O O . 5 . O O X W 2 |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O O 3 . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . X , X X O 4 O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O X O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Wait, why did white play m17 hane in 1st diagram?
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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 9 . . . O O X W 8 |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . 4 3 5 . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , 2 X O 6 O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 1 O O X O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Wc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . 9 . 8 7 6 5 . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 1 X 2 . 4 O O X O O |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . 3 O X X . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X O O O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O X O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

10th at Q19. The result is Ko, where black finds threats first. White has one local threat at Q13, threats at lower right corner are much smaller than this ko. Black has one threat at s13 - threat for live of UR corner. I need one more threat, and we can fight this ko!

But as I don't have this one threat right now I think this will be playd - with ko aji left for later.
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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X W . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . 4 3 5 . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , 2 X O 6 O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 1 O O X O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O 8 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . 9 O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I don't know much about creating ko threats, but from looking at high dans game I think it's about creating corsscuts and really complicated stuff.

I'm back to the game!

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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . X O . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . B O O X O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #58 Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 4:45 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . W . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . X O . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O X O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Yeah, white's play was a little slack, so this is annoying, I lost the sente to harass the middle group. But since I got the cash, I just need to stop black from getting much more than he already has and this is how I like to play so I can't really complain.
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Post #59 Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 1:37 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . X O . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O X O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . B O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Time to pay the debts, and secure this group.
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . X O . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O X O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . 1 O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I think this will happen.
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Post #60 Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 3:24 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . O . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . X O . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O O X O X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . X O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . W . . . . . . . X . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I have to prevent black from playing here now that he made the iron-pillar with his last move. I would like to attack his middle group but my opponent has played a little greedy so far, so I can predict that he would probably try to take sente somehow and take this big point hoping that I can't kill his middle group. The problem is that I don't think I can kill it, so I'll just wait for now.
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