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Not really thinking much about it. This move takes away his base and helps my stone at the same time. He can double approach the 4-4 stone, but who cares?
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@skydyr
I could have played the upper right directly. I did the exchange in the lower right so that I can make a running group when I want even when black plays another move in the lower right. It is usually bad to have a running group, but here I have more power in the center. Well, I cannot be sure, but at least I don't think I lost something from that exchange.
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What do people think about P17 vs S17? My instinct is that it's not as good. It does make O16 pushing from behind for Black instead of sente, but I don't think O16 was ever awesome for Black anyway. As Kirby points out, it also seems to make it easy for B to tenuki.
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Might still be okay, but I don't know for sure. In this type of situation, I should think about my options in terms of counter attack on his shape. He has some thinness, so maybe I can come up with a combo to make some sort of counter work.
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I guess I'm saying that I could just play my blitz response, but maybe I can try to make a nice result with the aji here. That requires a bit of thinking, though.
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@Hyperpape & other observers:
hyperpape wrote:
What do people think about P17 vs S17? My instinct is that it's not as good. It does make O16 pushing from behind for Black instead of sente, but I don't think O16 was ever awesome for Black anyway. As Kirby points out, it also seems to make it easy for B to tenuki.
I was thinking the same thing. O16 by black is not practical now, but N15 still is almost as good. For white, strengthening O17 is not all that important, for it is never going to do much since it is easily opposed by black at J17.
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