??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)

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Re: ??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)

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[go]$$Bc W=2 B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X O O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 1 . X O O X X . X . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . 3 . X O O . X O . O . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



Unfortunately, I have no choice. He may get r2 as well. But I gained on top--I was counting 5-8 points there for him previously and now he has nothing. I will have to count carefully in a few moves.
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Re: ??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)

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[go]$$Bc W=2 B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X O O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O O X X . X . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O O . X O W O . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: ??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)

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I counted. I think right now it's 72 to 68, my favor. That's a lot closer than I would like. Hopefully I can hold onto that small lead. (My lead may be a few points bigger than that--I was conservative--but not much, I don't think) My rough count when I played S13 was pretty close!!

Addendum: just saw Magicwand's move, I might be screwed... :/
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[go]$$Bc W=2 B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . 3 . . X . X O O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O O X X 1 X . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . 2 O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Well, crap.

You can think of this as trying to activate a ko in the top or looking for a place to resign as you please.
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Re: ??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc W=2 B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . 4 . . O X O . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . . . . . X . |
$$ | . 2 1 3 . X . X O O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

sorry for the wait.. now i am back.
edit:
now i think i have all the points that i want.
i really dont mind him taking some of my stones as long as i get my sente.
my following move will probably be bigger than those few stones.
i think he will resign soon.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc W=2 B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . O 4 O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O 3 5 . O . . . . . . . . . . a . |
$$ | . 2 X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . O . . O X O . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O 1 O X . X O . . X . . . . . X . |
$$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O 6 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: ??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)

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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . 5 . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . O 3 2 O X O . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . 4 O 1 O X . X O . . X . . . . . X . |
$$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Black pull out those two stones; white can't block.
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Re: ??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)

Post by Jonas »

fwiffo wrote:
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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . 5 . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . a X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . O 3 2 O X O . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . 4 O 1 O X . X O . . X . . . . . X . |
$$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Black pull out those two stones; white can't block.


Where is the real difference when White now plays 'a' (in sente) compared to the diagram shown by magicwand?
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Sorry, I somehow missed magicwand's diagram. Haven't had enough coffee this morning.
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Still thinking about this. Move later today or tomorrow.


I didn't expect him to play like that, now I can save my stones later (in gote). (I guess he agreed that I had lots of "stuff" if he went on top)

I need to count more. This is still winnable but I'll have to play a nearly perfect endgame... :/
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Re: ??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)

Post by Jonas »

@magicwand

Hey magicwand, do you see any aji in the center?

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc W=2 B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . 4 . . O X O . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . . . . . X . |
$$ | . 2 1 3 . X . X O O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . a . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The region around 'a' looks so suspicious, but I cant find any possible Suji... do you see something?
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Re: ??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)

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Jonas wrote:@magicwand

Hey magicwand, do you see any aji in the center?

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc W=2 B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . 4 . . O X O . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . . . . . X . |
$$ | . 2 1 3 . X . X O O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . a . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The region around 'a' looks so suspicious, but I cant find any possible Suji... do you see something?

i see nothing... i might have something after my 'a'

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc W=2 B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . a . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . 4 . . O X O . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . . . . . X . |
$$ | . 2 1 3 . X . X O O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . a . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc W=2 B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . B . . . . . . . . O . O . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . X X . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . O . O . . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O X . . O . X . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . O . . O X O . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . O . O X . X O . . X . . . . . X . |
$$ | . O X X . X . X O O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . X O O O . . O X . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X O O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O X X O O X . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . X O O X X X X . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O O . X O O O . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . X . . X O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . O O O X O X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X X X O . . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . O . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I thought for awhile about not taking the trigger but there doesn't seem to be a better move for me, especially since I know how white answers. :)

It's endgame now. This is a pretty large sente. I don't think he can ignore it. I have to decide how to take gote; r2 is ginormous, but O15 or thereabouts might be bigger. Saving my two stones is too small right now (~6 points).
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Re: ??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)

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i hate to lose this point...what he played is big..but capturing his two stone is probably meiai. so i will take biggest point on the board.

edit: capturing 2 stone will save my 3 stone and i calculated it to be 15 point.
R2 is over 15 for sure... and if he jump i probably will tenuki again and play upper right corner to get more points.
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The greater the unknown"

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Re: ??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)

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[go]$$Bc W=2 B=0
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Re: ??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc W=2 B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O . O . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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The greater the unknown"

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