Capital vs. Lowercase: Collaboration Game

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Sun Jan 31, 2016 6:40 pm

@Celebrir and other Observers:

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Sun Jan 31, 2016 6:59 pm

@BLACK:

The hane at M16 is sente. I think that we should play it.
The position below is the best that white can get if they ignore it.

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andreyl · Post by **andreyl** » Sun Jan 31, 2016 11:24 pm

I am quitting this rengo guys,you are welcome to replace me

it was fun

TegaiS · Post by **TegaiS** » Mon Feb 01, 2016 12:37 am

@BLACK:

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Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Mon Feb 01, 2016 2:30 am

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Uberdude · Post by **Uberdude** » Mon Feb 01, 2016 2:55 am

@obs

It seems this hane is so painful it made andreyl resign

Can't say I blame him, white's shapes are pretty ugly. TegaiS said this hane is not sente because black has to answer white's hane, but that's not strictly true, black could do something like this. The 1-2 exchange is already good for black, because even after the atari at 4 (atari of 4 as cut at 5 doesn't seem to work) white would need to come back to defend the cut, and this does not threaten to kill the black group at the top (whereas after the extend at 1 turn at 5 would) so black could tenuki again to a or b or whatever.

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skydyr · Post by **skydyr** » Mon Feb 01, 2016 7:56 am

So, anyone feel like joining the team? Lowercase usernames preferred but not strictly necessary.

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Mon Feb 01, 2016 3:08 pm

Should we allow a takeback?

I don't know what is going on with the other team, but the long delay before moving coupled with the withdrawl of one player soon after the move suggests to me that white is having some kind of serious dispute. The result, IMHO, was a less than ideal move.

So, @observers, black players and white players: should we do a takeback?
In particular, @andreyl: would you rejoin if we did?

emeraldemon · Post by **emeraldemon** » Wed Feb 03, 2016 3:18 pm

We can keep going or we can end it here, I'm fine either way.

skydyr · Post by **skydyr** » Thu Feb 04, 2016 9:56 am

I got the sense (possibly incorrect) that andreyl may have had scheduling issues or trouble finding time for the game.

I'm fine continuing or not.

@white

Edit:
Thinking about it a bit more, most people who would be interested in participating have most likely read the comments on both sides already, so perhaps it would be better to call it quits and move on.

Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Thu Feb 04, 2016 12:44 pm

skydyr wrote:...most people who would be interested in participating have most likely read the comments on both sides already...

It is a small advantage, but I wouldn't mind. I suspect that my teammates would not mind either.

skydyr · Post by **skydyr** » Mon Feb 08, 2016 7:59 am

So it's been a week since we called for a volunteer. I'm all for throwing in the towel at this point if no one gets back to us soon.

Edit:
Yeah, I'm done and going to look it over.

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