57. Chew Terr (5k) vs Fwiffo (4k) Open

KGS 4 kyu · Post by **fwiffo** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 8:37 am

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Website · Post by **Chew Terr** » Wed Jun 30, 2010 8:46 am

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KGS 4 kyu · Post by **fwiffo** » Thu Jul 01, 2010 7:48 pm

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Website · Post by **Chew Terr** » Fri Jul 02, 2010 7:43 am

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topazg · Post by **topazg** » Fri Jul 02, 2010 8:04 am

Ok, now you can both read the second hidden thing from that post I made

KGS 4 kyu · Post by **fwiffo** » Fri Jul 02, 2010 1:23 pm

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Website · Post by **Chew Terr** » Fri Jul 02, 2010 1:47 pm

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Okay, so I'm not getting a WHOLE lot out of this corner. However, it's induced this move to stabilize my bottom more, and I'm hoping to get some central thickness as well. The thickness will work well with my attack on the group in the center, so hopefully I'll be getting my money's worth out of it.

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I expect something like this. Again, it may be a mistake, but it seems like I want to keep taking thickness, to keep with the plan. Just hesitant if I'm giving too much away or am missing giant flaws. If MHO cuts at a, I can stretch to b. 'c' also gives me some interesting opportunities for later, such as sealing the bottom stones in sente. Mostly, I'm prioritizing the bottom/center over the corner, and trying to do it in something like sente.

KGS 4 kyu · Post by **fwiffo** » Fri Jul 02, 2010 1:52 pm

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Website · Post by **Chew Terr** » Fri Jul 02, 2010 2:22 pm

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Time to think of something good out of my supine brain. That comment amuses me, it reminds me of an older gentleman at club who often talks of looking for aggressive plays with his 'reptilian eyes,' or something like that.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc If he forces me to take the corner, I can. $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X O . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . X O . X O X X O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . X X . X O . X O . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . O O O . X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 4 . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . O X 3 1 9 . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . X . O O X O 5 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 6 8 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc This looks doable, but scary. Fwiffo reads better than I do... eep $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X O . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . X O . X O X X O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . X X . X O . X O . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . O O O . X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . 7 . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . O X 3 1 6 . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . X . O O X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 4 8 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc Even this looks possible $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X O . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . X O . X O X X O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . X X . X O . X O . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . O O O . X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . O X 3 1 . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . X . O O X O 6 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 2 5 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This seems contrary to my prior plan, but we can only plan for 50% of the moves in the game. Fwiffo played something from my blind spot, so I have to roll witht he punches. If I can live in the corner, I can try to cut his stones on the outside. If he gets cut, he has WAY too many weak groups, and will likely lose one. So not only am I hoping to live in the corner after this, I hope to live in sente if he stops to patch the cutting points. Aren't I optimistic? =D

KGS 4 kyu · Post by **fwiffo** » Fri Jul 02, 2010 3:23 pm

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Trigger:

Website · Post by **Chew Terr** » Tue Jul 06, 2010 9:30 am

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KGS 4 kyu · Post by **fwiffo** » Tue Jul 06, 2010 10:24 am

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I think my opponent is being overly pessimistic. Given that had given me an extra move here, this outcome is not that unreasonable. My center group is still a target too; a move like :b53:

is dual purpose.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X O . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . X O . X O X X O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . X X . X O . X O . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . O O O . X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . . B . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . B d W . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . c . . . a . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . O X X X b . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . X . O O X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Of course, I want to pull out the marked stone with a or b; if I let black block at b, that's a pretty nice sized chunk of territory. But I really want to play c. If black were to get that move, he'd make some nice shape for himself and my access to the center will be much more limited. Black will have to defend against me pushing through, and it becomes difficult because of the marked knight's moves. However, black may have a move that both captures the marked white stone and defends against the push. I'd have to do some reading. :b53:

may have been better at d (reducing my liberties), though that shape is also not without problems.

I may still sacrifice that stone to get sente. Something like this:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc D-Fens $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X O . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . X O . X O X X O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . X X . X O . X O . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . O O O . X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X 2 W . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . X . O O X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

And while rescuing that stone is big (a lot more than 2 points because of the black territory it nullifies), is it worth giving up sente and letting my center be hassled? Black would have to take gote to capture it anyway. Like the 3-3 points on the left side, it really amounts to large endgame, and we're not at that point yet.

The more I look at it, the more :w1:

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looks more urgent than saving :wc:

. That is what I'll do.

Website · Post by **Chew Terr** » Tue Jul 06, 2010 12:06 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm51 Prisoners - W: 0, B: 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X O . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . X O . X O X X O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . X X . X O . X O . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . O O O . X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X 5 O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . X . O O X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Mental game:

Tactics:

Strategy:

Whole-board wise: As long as this corner doesn't become too much of a compost heap, I think I'm doing okay. Nothing has solidified the west, so it's likely that my opponent won't get /all/ of it. Fwiffo mentioned letting me kill his stone on the right in order to play some moves to connect his weak group with his solid corner. This is more than fine with me. It is essentially what I intended when I said that I didn't expect to kill his weak group, but wanted points when attacking it. Additionally, the groups would probably not be flawlessly connected, so I should get either sente or aji. If I get sente here or in the near future, I am going to look at invading one of the western corners or massively reducing the west from the center. Ideally I would prefer to do the former and then the latter, but I expect something like this, if for example I invade the top.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm1 My opponent sacrifices a little for sente $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 5 7 3 . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . 6 1 2 . X . . . . . . . X . X O . . | $$ | . . 4 O . . . . . X O . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . X O . X O X X O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . X X . X O . X O . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . O O O . X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . . X . . |[/go]

As a result, I imagine that I will get at least one corner, but that whoever gets to play first in the west will get two of: the corners and a play in the middle. That is, unless my opponent tries to defend his bottom corner in sente with something like a kick. The kick would force me to build up my territory a bit, which is not horrible as compensation.

So if my opponent sacrifices his one stone to save his weak group, the game is certainly playable for me. If he does the opposite and saves his stone in gote, I will probably do my best to profit from attacking his group more directly. Now is the best chance I intend to give my opponent to connect out, so hopefully I can make some points against it. Regardless, if my opponent decides to save his group, I will look at my options when it comes to it.
edit: In this strategy section, I mostly just assessed the overall board position to show myself that this isn't horrible, so as to smack some sense into myself. I would rather give myself a false sense of confidence than justified pessimism, because pessimism causes more mistakes.

For anyone:

KGS 4 kyu · Post by **fwiffo** » Tue Jul 06, 2010 12:39 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm51 Prisoners - W: 0, B: 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X O . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . X O . X O X X O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . X X . X O . X O . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . O O O . X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . O X X X . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . X . O O X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Website · Post by **Chew Terr** » Tue Jul 06, 2010 12:56 pm

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm51 Prisoners - W: 0, B: 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X O . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . X O . X O X X O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . X X . X O . X O . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . O O O . X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . O X X X 7 . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . X . O O X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bcm41 What the board looked like several moves ago $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X O . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . X O . X O X X O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . X X . X O . X O . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . O O O . X . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . 5 , . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . O X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

If I had seen the current board position 12 moves ago when the board was like this, I would have been pleased. I stabilized my base in the south and claimed a lot in the east solidly. So I can be content trading the safety of my opponent's group with my territory I am making. Additionally, if my opponent does not spend another move connecting, I get to separate him for a little more pushing. I'm not sure if that would be the biggest move on the board, because this move has bought him a good amount of breathing room. But at the moment, I have to capture his stone, and worry about where to play next later. In addition to the kill, this has some endgame potential in my opponent's corner.

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