Stefany93 wrote:Hello folks,
How are you doing? Listen, I bet with my friend Sarah about something interesting. That girl claims that the old pro Go players didn't pay much attention to life and death, and during the game all they cared was the territory stuff, and they rarely took any stones from one another
. I told her that this is not true, and that in Go capturing stones is also very important, but she doesn't listen. So, will you please be so kind to give me a link of pro go players' games in the 19 - 20 century?
Thank you!
Best Regards
Stefany
P.S - The bet is 10 euro, but don't tell her I told you
How old is old?
Claim #1: "old pro Go players didn't pay much attention to life and death,"
Absolutely false. Absolutely. Absolutely.
The only possible exception depends on the interpretation of "pay attention to". Pro players, ancient and modern, freely sacrifice stones. They do not pay attention to life and death in the sense of not caring much about the life or death of individual stones. (Your English is quite good, but I am not exactly sure what your friend's claim is.)
Claim #2: "during the game all they cared was the territory stuff,"
Before the 20th century, pro play in Japan (which organized go so that you can talk about having go pros) was mainly territorial. That does not mean that that was all they cared about. They freely created outside influence that a lot of modern amateurs would not think of making. (I have posted a few examples here and on the old GoDiscussions.)
Claim #3: "they rarely took any stones from one another"
That depends on what you mean by "rare". OC, they could sometimes get into huge fights and capture a lot of stones, but usually they threatened to kill or capture stones without actually capturing many. So on a move by move basis, they rarely captured stones. On a game by game basis, they usually captured few stones in each game.
Links:
Here is a good online source for ancient games:
http://mignon.ddo.jp/assembly/mignon/go.htmlIt is in Japanese, but the games are automated.
To help you navigate the site, here are a couple of inner urls:
http://mignon.ddo.jp/assembly/mignon/go_meikyoku.htmlThis has links to famous games.
http://mignon.ddo.jp/assembly/mignon/go ... ntoku.htmlThis has an 18th century game where Black (Sentoku) plays for outside influence on a large scale.
http://mignon.ddo.jp/assembly/mignon/go ... ikan0.htmlThis has links to famous players and to the four go houses. When you navigate to a player's page, links to his games are highlighted.
