AlphaGo playing on Tygem or a silly rumor

wineandgolover · Post by **wineandgolover** » Wed May 25, 2016 9:39 am

There is a reddit thread that claims AG is playing on Tygem using an account named Deepmind.

It links to this page. I can neither read the page, nor access Tygem to verify. Needless to say, I am skeptical, and suspect Deepmind is played by Aja Hwang. But I'd love to be wrong!

It would be fantastic if someone posted some recent Deepmind games here, so we can decide for ourselves!

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Wed May 25, 2016 1:59 pm

Do you mean this page (from the Reddit post)?

http://www.tygem.com/news/news/viewpage ... &findword=

If so, there isn't much content, but I can summarize.

Paragraph 1: There's various talk that AlphaGo uses the 'deep mind' account on Tygem as a stage for it's real-game training, and s/he (the account) has again revealed himself!

Paragraph 2: On the 25th at 9am, or 1am in London taking into account the 8 hour time difference, Tygem's 'deepmind' beat (by resignation, as white) Japanese 9d, 'universe55' in just 82 moves.

Paragraph 3: In today's match, 'deepmind' played a double 3-3 opening as white. Last March in the Lee Sedol vs. AlphaGo Google DeepMind Challenge, AlphaGo played a double 4-4 opening in all of the 3 games it played as white, which is a bit of a contrast.

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That's about it. The rest of the article consists of captioned images (a few comments on the game, and then the player profile).

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Wed May 25, 2016 2:03 pm

I, too, am skeptical that it's 100% full strength AlphaGo. Before the Lee Sedol match, Tygem posted about this account and it gave pros more confidence Lee Sedol would win the match. The real AlphaGo turned out to be much stronger.

jeromie · Post by **jeromie** » Wed May 25, 2016 2:29 pm

On the Reddit thread in question, Uberdude quoted Aja Huang who said,

"We haven't decided to play AlphaGo online yet, but when the decision is made we will use AlphaGo(P) on tygem and AlphaGoBot on KGS."
from http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.games.devel.go/30213

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Wed May 25, 2016 2:35 pm

Personally, I suspect that there might still be some connection between 'deepmind' and AlphaGo (or its development team). It's a pretty strong player, and some other Tygem articles have sometimes noted its unique play. There's also the fact that the account was created around the time development for AlphaGo started.

Maybe Aja or someone else that's on the development team uses Tygem as a testbed to train some subset or component of AlphaGo.

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Wed May 25, 2016 2:36 pm

There's also the article we discussed here on this forum, where Demis seemed to hint at the possibility that they'd used (some version of?) AlphaGo on Tygem.

seigenblues · Post by **seigenblues** » Wed May 25, 2016 3:53 pm

the Official Statement on this was that this was Aja Huang's account. IIRC, he claimed it on Facebook.

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Wed May 25, 2016 3:59 pm

seigenblues wrote:the Official Statement on this was that this was Aja Huang's account. IIRC, he claimed it on Facebook.

I seem to recall this, too. It's just suprising to me that Aja Huang could be 9d on Tygem without the, uh... assistance of something else :-)

pookpooi · Post by **pookpooi** » Wed May 25, 2016 5:21 pm

Fan Hui is in DeepMind's team. Also the true strength of Aja Huang is like a black box, he recently inflated to 8D on KGS.

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Wed May 25, 2016 5:56 pm

What is his account on KGS?

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Wed May 25, 2016 6:21 pm

By the way, per Brady's original request, here are a few games. They are from December of 2015.

'deepmind' is white in all cases.

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Wed May 25, 2016 6:22 pm

I just happened to find those on a blog post. When I get home, I can post some more recent games of 'deepmind' (unless someone else here would like to do it first :-)

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trout · Post by **trout** » Wed May 25, 2016 8:44 pm

There was a TYGEM article confirming by Demis Hassabis that deeonubd is id that used to training.

http://www.tygem.com/news/news/viewpage ... &findword=

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Wed May 25, 2016 10:45 pm

Thanks, trout.

Anyway, as promised, here are some more recent games, all from the 25th - including the "double 3-3 opening" game that the Tygem article talks about.

Note that 'deepmind' hasn't won all of the recent games. Here's a look at the recent game history:

So there you have it. Some of 'deepmind's most recent wins.

Is 'deepmind' truly AlphaGo? Judge for yourself.

wineandgolover · Post by **wineandgolover** » Thu May 26, 2016 12:49 am

Thanks, Brian!

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