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 Post subject: Re: 48. Dusk Eagle (2k) vs dfan (4k)
Post #61 Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 5:20 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm48 Move 48. Points from prisoners: W 0, B 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O X X O 1 . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

♫ It's a piece of cake to bake a pretty cake.
If the way is hazy,
You gotta do the cooking by the book.
You know you can't be lazy.
Never use a messy recipe,
The cake will end up crazy,
If you do the cooking by the book,
Then you'll have a cake.

We gotta have it made,
You know that I love cake.
Finally it's time to make a cake! ♫

With cake being a metaphor for Go, of course.

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Post #62 Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 10:35 am 
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[go]$$Bcm49 Move 49. Points from prisoners: W 0, B 0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Change of plan. Instead of attacking one of White's weaknesses, I'm just going to leave them around and exploit them later.

Two particular reasons I'm backing off from my original plan:
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . O O 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

1) I'm afraid he would just ignore :b1:.
2) Now that White is strong in the upper left, :b3: doesn't seem as threatening as before.

So I'm going to do the biggest remaining opening move, which is approaching the lower left corner, and I'm doing so from the widest side. All the josekis I can think of look pretty good for me:

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[go]$$Bc Nice left side
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . 3 . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . 2 . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bc I take the lower side
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . 2 . . . . . . . X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . 8 0 . . . . . . . X . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . 7 4 O 6 . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . 9 3 5 . a . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bc White's wall faces nothing
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . 8 . . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . 7 1 . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 6 . . . . . . X . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . . 5 O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . 3 4 . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bc Solid left for B, open bottom for W
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . 7 . . . . . . . . X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . 3 . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 2 4 . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 . . . . . . . X . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . . 6 O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #63 Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 6:11 am 
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[go]$$Wcm50 Move 50. Points from prisoners: W 0, B 0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . 1 . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This feels like a fine move. Depending on how he responds, I can continue as below.

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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . 6 , . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . 4 5 . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . 2 3 . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . 8 X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . 9 . . . . . . . X . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . 1 . O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . 7 . . O . . 0 . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . 1 . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . a . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

If he falls back I could just invade right away. 'a' is a point I'd like to get. There may be something better than :w2:, I'll have to think about it more if he does play this way.

I don't feel I have played a very good game so far. He feels slightly ahead to me. I must do something sooner rather than later to bridge the gap.

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Post #64 Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:26 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm51 Move 51. Points from prisoners: W 0, B 0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . 1 . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

As planned. If I recall correctly the two main choices here are what I played and this:
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . 3 . . . . . . . . X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . 1 . O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . 2 . . O . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

but one is not supposed to mix them. Perhaps it is to reserve the possiblity of invading at the 3-3 point if White tries to split my approach and my most recent stone.

I think it is tough for White to pull out his lower middle stone, and even if he does try to I can either 1) treat it as gote and go back to urgent points elsewhere, 2) still cut it off in this case
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[go]$$Wc
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . 1 . 2 O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

or 3) invade in this case:
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[go]$$Wc
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . 2 . 1 . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

As I was writing those it occurred to me that White could try this:
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[go]$$Wc
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 2 X . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . 3 1 . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

which looks more promising than either of the other two moves, but I think I can still remain content to have gotten sente back.

In any case I am pretty pleased with the way that the left side is looking (especially compared to before White started the top left joseki) and feel like I have gotten reasonable compensation for White 'ruining' my provisional top and possibly saving his bottom.

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Post #65 Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 8:30 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm52 Move 52. Points from prisoners: W 0, B 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I don't have komi, so playing calmly like below will leave me behind in this game.

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . 1 . O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Instead, I'm going to be aggressive here. This is the time when I'm aiming to pull ahead.

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . 4 X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . 2 1 . . . . . . . X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . 3 5 . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . 6 . . O . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I didn't play :w1: because of :b6:.

I'll go into a more detailed analysis when I see his response.

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Post #66 Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 4:27 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm53 Move 53. Points from prisoners: W 0, B 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . O . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I don't know what to do here, and I'm tired of thinking about it, so I'm going ahead with what I said originally (that the reason I shouldn't have played B4 before is so that I kept this possibility open). I'm keeping these comments minimal because if I wait until I can lay out all my thoughts completely it'll be another week.

It looks like I will live in the corner in gote but then he'll need a move to pull out his invading stone.

The other moves I considered:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . X . . . .
$$ | . . . a . . . .
$$ | . . O 1 . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . X . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . O . . . .
$$ | . . . . . O . .
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ -----------------[/go]

I didn't like the way the fight ended up here after White plays at a.

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[go]$$Bc
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . X . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . X . 1 . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . O . . . .
$$ | . . . . . O . .
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . .
$$ -----------------[/go]

This seemed to give White too much of a chance to make a base on the side.

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Post #67 Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 11:37 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm54 Move 54. Points from prisoners: W 0, B 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . . 1 O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This is what I expect to happen:

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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X 9 8 X . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . a . 0 . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . b . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . 7 . X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 4 . . . . . . . X . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . 1 O O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . 3 X . . O . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . 5 . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

After this, he still needs to add another move to prevent me from playing at 'a' in sente. However, it seems harder for him to find as good a place to play as he would like, as his normal move at 'b' would be touching my weak stone, and that is something he wants to avoid.

Or, he could play like this:

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[go]$$Bcm7
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . 2 X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . X . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . X X . . O . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I can't state definitively which is better for him.

If I were to play as below instead, I would be building influence in the wrong direction.

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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . 1 O O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . 5 X 2 . O . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 3 4 . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Though both corner sequences are joseki, I think the one I plan on playing is far better in this situation.

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Post #68 Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 4:20 am 
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[go]$$Bcm55 Move 55. Points from prisoners: W 0, B 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . X 1 . O . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

My reading is that I live here in gote with an L+2 group, then White probably has to do something about C8.

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Post #69 Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 1:38 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm56 Move 56. Points from prisoners: W 0, B 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . . O O 1 . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Whoa. This move is abnormal (and I think wrong). I considered three moves here in response.

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . 3 O O . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . 1 X X 5 O 7 9 . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | a 2 . . 6 4 8 b . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

First was this move. :b8: could also be at 'a'. However, if he plays this way, he can take sente elsewhere now. I will get 'a' and 'b' in sente, but I'd rather leave the corner with sente and so I rejected this way of play. However, it definitely seems like it would normally be very good.

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 6 . . . . . . X . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . 3 O O 4 . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . 1 X X 5 O . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | 7 2 0 . 8 9 . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . a . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

If he tries to kill my group instead, he will lose the semeai by one. Note though that the normal tesuji move of :w7: at 'a' does not work due to the corner properties.

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . X . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . O O O X . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | C O X X O O . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | 5 X 4 6 2 7 . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | a 8 1 3 0 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I would have to play at :ec: before playing 'a', and that would give him enough liberties to win the capturing race.

I also considered this move:

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . 0 X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 5 . . . . . . . X . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . 2 O O C . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . 4 X X 1 O . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . 6 7 . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

However, I don't like the bad aji that :b10: along with the cutting point at :ec: leave. To take care of this aji would require taking gote, and that is something I would rather not do right now. Again, this is sometimes playable IMO, but it's not what I want right now.

So, I will play this way instead, as it should leave me with sente.

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 5 . . . . . . . X . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . 2 O O 1 . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . 4 X X . O . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . 6 . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #70 Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 5:13 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm57 Move 57. Points from prisoners: W 0, B 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . 1 O O O . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Interesting; I was expecting him to play one point below that. This way I'll probably get one point more and he'll get one point fewer, but maybe it strengthens his wall enough to compensate.

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Post #71 Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 5:54 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm58 Move 58. Points from prisoners: W 0, B 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 . . . . . . . . X . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . X X . O . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Post #72 Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 7:38 pm 
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[go]$$Bcm59 Move 59. Points from prisoners: W 0, B 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . X . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . 1 X X . O . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Yep.

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[go]$$Wcm60 Move 60. Points from prisoners: W 0, B 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O 1 . . . . . . . X . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . X X X . O . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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:b51: and :b53: seem to be inconsistent to me. :b51: expresses a desire to develop the left side, while :b53: abandons the left side for the corner.

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Post #75 Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 6:29 am 
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[go]$$Bcm59 Move 59. Points from prisoners: W 0, B 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . X . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . X X X . O . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I think that if he blocks now I can tenuki, since the L+2 group is unconditionally alive. I'll check for tricks when and if he plays it.

If that's true then it seems like a major victory for me, since if E4 were at E3 I would have to live in gote. Perhaps White was protecting a weakness that I didn't see, but that's a lot to give up.

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Post #76 Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 11:55 am 
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[go]$$Wcm60 Move 60. Points from prisoners: W 0, B 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O . . . . . . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . O X X O O . . , . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . X . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . X X X . O . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Let's see what happens. This should be interesting. I also considered going one space higher. That seems to lead to an entirely different game. But I'm going to go with this and see what happens from here.

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Post #77 Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 5:55 am 
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Sorry this move is delayed, work is still crazy, and you made a move I have to think about a lot :)

I'll have a move this weekend but probably not before.

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[go]$$Wcm60 Move 60. Points from prisoners: W 0, B 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . b b b b . . . . . . a a . . . . |
$$ | . . O O b X O . . . . . . a a . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O . . . . . . X a X X O b |
$$ | a a O X X O O . . , . . . . . X O b b |
$$ | a a X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O b |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O b b |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O b b b |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . b b b b |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . b b . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . X . X . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . X X X . O . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | a a a a X . . . . . . . . X a a a a a |
$$ | a a a a . . . . . . . . . . a a a a a |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This is my count;
Black 29
White 24
NB because white's c5 wall lacks d6 or similar, I'm not happy calling anything there territory.

Offsetting the points a little, Black's P10 group seems the weakest group on the board, lacking any base-making potential, but for now at least seem to be happily out to the centre. The other regions of the board all seem to be hotly contested, with strength from both sides radiating towards the L17, c10 and to some extent j3 areas.

Anyway, I have some strategic and tactical thoughts on this situation.

Goals for black (who's turn it is) ; threaten to make the c5 group weak considering the aji of C6, with the goal of making a large left side, potentially blighting white's c12, which I feel was too deep. Maybe something like 1... B9 2. E9 3. F11.

Goals for white, strategically, because black is going to play something sente - I think are complex. Considering the potential cut at E15, I think white can aim at something interesting in the centre, ideally some kind of large scale roundabout attack (kill!) on the M9 group. Black will presumably make some compromises to ensure the group's life.

Pulling out N3 for white or catching it for black is an obvious massive point gote, larger than being the first to play on the top side, but I feel too slow for either side until the M10 group is resolved.


Hmm, on further reflection, I think that whatever black plays, white's cap at F10 will be an excellent next move for him.

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Post #79 Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 4:19 pm 
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I lied - I had to work both days this weekend and I don't have the time and mental energy to move yet. Good thing you have another Malkovich game to play! I will try to pick this up in the near future.

Hooray for 12-day work weeks :cry:

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Post #80 Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:10 am 
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No worries. Hope you feel better soon.

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