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Post by EdLee »

Hi hypepape,

:b17: atari is wrong sequence -- B ends in gote (instead of sente in the joseki).
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:b19: E17 atari (B gets gote).

:b27: Maybe R5 approach bigger.

:w68: Maybe C2, R18 bigger.
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Re: I think I'll post some games

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At 68, I was worried about the right way to make life if Black played the atari, so I played a to forestall it, and also make a few points. My thought is that I don't want to tempt capturing at b, as it introduces aji into my center.
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Re: I think I'll post some games

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hyperpape wrote:At 68, I was worried about the right way to make life if Black played the atari, so I played a to forestall it, and also make a few points. My thought is that I don't want to tempt capturing at b, as it introduces aji into my center.
This way is pretty straightforward.
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$$ | . O O O . . . X .
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Re: I think I'll post some games

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Thanks. I was looking at the tiger mouth one point above :W4: for some reason--not like this is an unfamiliar shape. Now I just have to count. White loses points in the corner and also the monkey jump this way...probably still better to play C2 or R18.
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:b25: seems awkward. What I dislike is that I can't think of a followup after White jumps.

:b27: I suspect this is not a good move. I think sometimes in the transition to the middle game, I lose track of what to do. There are no overt big points, a relatively weak black group in the top left, an unsettled white group in the upper right, and a weak white group that I can't decide how to attack in the lower right. I think trying to fix the balance of strength in the top is a good idea, but I'm not sold on sliding.

:b37: Dubious as well. I'd like to put pressure on the single white stone, but how? Is O10 reasonable?

:b39: misread. I considered White R11, but not the wedge.

:b51: This would have been the time to count and make a plan.

:b91: Surprised when white played the descent. Should have considered it more fully before playing.
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:b27: M17 could be a candidate.
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There are times in the past where I was criticized for resigning too early. This game is not one of them. After a horrible mistake in the LR, I was able to keep posing my opponent problems until they slipped up and gave me a win.

:w14: I was outside of anything I recognized here. N2 seemed very submissive, though maybe it would have been better, since :b15: creates a shape problem.

:b21: I think I am ok if I play at P3. This is the almost losing move.

:b29: - :b31: Desperate hallucinations, I guess.

:b35: :w36: :b37: :w38: White is playing very safe with these moves, which makes sense.

:b51: :b59: I may be rushing here, and trying too hard to provoke a fight. D14 seems better for :b59:

109 Maybe the right time to play Q14? Also, I was worried about the status of my four stone group in the center, but I think I need to play on the top.

140 I did not consider that white could fight this ko. This is a refrain of mine...I don't look at enough different responses my opponent could give.

168 I count myself down by almost 30 points (count is in the sgf), which means that Black has gained nothing since dying in the first corner. My plan is to poke at White's weaknesses, recount, and then probably resign.

172 Seems greedy.

192 Ditto.

203 Doesn't M3 just save my LR group? Not sure what I was thinking.
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hyperpape wrote:203 Doesn't M3 just save my LR group? Not sure what I was thinking.
I got this right in the game, wrong in the analysis.
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This last game was ended up being close. The end result is B+3.5. There are several Malkovitch comments in the SGF. In addition:

:b35: At this point, I prefer B's opening. I think my play on in the lower right was not good, or perhaps I should not approach the top right but immediately play on the bottom to harass Black's group?

:w76: I kept thinking there was something white could do after pushing, but I think it was a hallucination.

:w96: I think I need to do something more ambitious here.

I made several counts throughout the game (included in the Malkovitch log). In particular, at 167, I think either my count was biased towards White or I did a bad job counting during the yose.
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The recent threads talking about soft-skills have struck a chord with me. I haven't put in any real serious study but I've been winning a lot more and moved up in the ratings on OGS. Some of that was caused by timing out games several times in the past which held me down to 7k, but I think some of it is also real improvement in my play.

Specifically, I've been trying to:

1. count more
2. win points in the endgame
3. avoid playing the first move that comes to mind

All three are hard, but the third is the worst. There will always be times when you don't anticipate your opponents move, but I want to avoid the times when it's because I didn't look. I've been mulling over something like a 3-3-3 rule: excepting the most trivial positions, consider at least three candidate moves, consider at least three responses to your chosen move, consider at least three strategic options.
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I've been doing well with the resolution in my last post, but it's very easy to slip up. Today I played a peep followed by a knight's move. Two seconds after playing the knight's move, I realized I'd only read one way to cut the knights move, in a correspondence game, no less.
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This was a strange game. In the lower left corner, I blundered badly. I'm still not quite sure what to play there. Maybe atari at B3, then black captures a white stone in a ladder? Or can I connect and take a huge corner?

After that, my questions are:
1) did I play alright in the lower right?
2) What was a more reasonable approach for Black in the bottom center?
3) When my opponent prematurely resigned, how do you assess the game?
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You could consider n4 instead of s4.

Black has nice influence on the bottom, so the s4 territory doesn’t seem as valuable, relatively speaking.

At the end, I think you are winning, but the bad part is your bottom center group can get attacked, so he could get some unknown amount of plus points from that.
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I played a tournament yesterday, with good results: I played no-komi against a 1 kyu, gave 3 stones to 6 and 7 kyus, and played even against a 1 kyu, winning all four games. Aside from the results, I think I generally played well too. Maybe the exception was one of the three stone games. We played really fast, and I had a good attack before overplaying and falling behind, thankfully I was able to create a complicated fight, and my opponent wasn't able to handle all the groups.

I've been playing quite badly in correspondence games (lost 9 out of 10 in a row earlier this year). I think the difference is that I'm grabbing time to check the game on my phone and playing a move when I'm not really focused.

Also, during my last game, I started staring at a corner position I've played dozens of times. I know White is alive, but couldn't think through the attacks and how to live.
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I think b, c and d are not hard, but I wasn't sure what the response to a was.
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