Mafia Go #1: Finished!

[topazg]

I'm rather disappointed in this one. And, no, not because I got voted off early. ( That's a chance you take when you join up. It is like walking onto a baseball field - if you are not willing to take a bouncer in the face, you shouldn't walk on. )

The rules of the game were substantially different than a normal game of go, and the majority of you never really explored this. You treated it almost like a normal game. You voted off guys because they were willing to go, not because you thought that it would help you win the game. Nobody but me explored the strategies of using voting to win the game.

Not correct, that's just what you read. I voted off those willing to go with that reason because they were on team White. Every vote made was political, and the last two votes were done in collusion with the rest of my "family". To begin with my moves were "even" moves, and as it went on I voted for progressively larger bad moves for White, and made sure that the team were all on the same page, so to speak. I believe Black won the mafia war, not the Go game, and it led to winning on the board also.

My dissapointment was particularly acute near the end when it was obvious that white was doomed. At that point the only rational attempt by white players to win the game was to start voting for bad black moves. But nobody did. It was like watching a 29K play a ladder all the way across the board, one doomed move after another, with no attempt to understand what is going on or to change it.
You remaining white players did not know if you were the majority or not. But you knew that you could not possibly win on the board with normal moves. Your only chance to win was to vote for a bad black move and hope that you had enough votes. And you didn't even try.

I can't comment on White, but this wasn't the case for Black.

What is the point in playing a game like this if you are not going to try to win with all the tools that you have? Would you play chess but refuse to move your queen more than one space? Would you play basketball but never try a 3-pointer? Those used to be the rules: the queen moved one space, and a bucket was two points. But when new possibilities were added, people used them.

As did Black here

[prokofiev]

In response to Joaz, as apparently I (and perhaps Jordus) are the 29 Kyus here (two of our teammates had stopped playing, and you were the first one out):

I make no claims to having played a great game, but your vision of strategy appears to be focused only on big moves. There's something to be said for trying big moves, as you did, but the frequent outcome in such a game will be that you just lose. I tried multiple more subtle moves. I don't claim they were executed in the best manner, but moves they were nonetheless.

As the game went on (and two white team members were effectively gone before they were voted out) I did try good moves for white and bad moves for black, but it was clear that black players were doing the reverse and were being successful at it (ie their moves were the chosen ones). A big "I'm most definitely on team white" declaration thus made little sense. Essentially my strategy after this all became clear multiple times turned into a waiting game hoping that maybe black would mess up and misguess who was who in the late endgame (it appears unlikely, and nobody had the patience for such; I was presumably outed due to mistakes earlier, but thought perhaps another white player still had a chance and I wouldn't have wanted any more white outings).

Typing this on a phone, so I'll stop here and not proofread!

[daniel_the_smith]

It was like watching a 29K play a ladder all the way across the board, one doomed move after another, with no attempt to understand what is going on or to change it.

I had a 2d opponent do this last night.

He still won the game.

[Marcus]

It was like watching a 29K play a ladder all the way across the board, one doomed move after another, with no attempt to understand what is going on or to change it.

I had a 2d opponent do this last night.

He still won the game.

Do you have a game record? I want to see that.

[daniel_the_smith]

Do you have a game record? I want to see that.

It was one of 8 or 9 in person games we played (he was playing really fast and I got sucked in), so not much chance of me remembering it. I accidentally lost a group on the other side of the board. I finally figured out how to beat him the last game we played-- I realized that at that speed, his reading was way better than mine, so I made all my groups extra safe and he fell apart doing unreasonable stuff.

[regiongo]

im beyond interested in the next game im holding my breath until all my braincells die