Betting Office: CHO CHIKUN vs. ZEN (19., 20. +23. Nov 2016)

[Bonobo]

I lost the bet already ;(

Heh

I find it quite interesting how—I think for the first time in my life—I’m with the majority (or rather: the majority is with me )

[Uberdude]

Bonobo, if you mean you voted for 2-1 to Zen (as I did) then you are with the plurality not the majority.

[Bonobo]

Bonobo, if you mean you voted for 2-1 to Zen (as I did) then you are with the plurality not the majority.

Oh, dang (and thanks!) … I fear I don't quite understand the difference; please remember that, while I’ve been learning English since age of four, I am not a native speaker, and I had to leave the EN-speaking environment at age of 11, so I’m somewhat stuck with the language of a child.

(Without looking anything up now …) I always thought that “plurality” means simply a spectrum of different [things], and that “majority” means that group which has, in this plurality, the most members.

Cordially, Tom

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added these lines to opening post:

USGO page for game 1: http://www.usgo.org/news/2016/11/cho-de ... ght-at-11/
SGF with Michael Redmond’s comments: http://www.usgo.org/news/wp-content/upl ... edmond.sgf
Video with Myungwan Kim’s comments: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erUj3iO5ybg
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[Mike Novack]

Not something most native English speaking children younger than 12 could distinguish. Some of them could get "majority" right, but few younger than that "pluraliy"

majority ---- over half
plurality --- more than any other alternative. If there are several alternatives, could be a
small fraction of the whole.

[Gomoto]

In germany it is different:

(Mehrheit)
relative majority = plurality
absolute majority = majority
simple majority = more votes than all others together
qualified majority = more than a distinct number

By the way, what are you thinking about the first two games

[Bonobo]

Thanks for your explanations, Mike Novack and Gomoto!
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By the way, what are you thinking about the first two games

Don't ask me, please I’m a measly ~10k, and I didn’t even have time nor “mindspace” to watch the games, not even to read the SGF of the first game thoroughly.
And IF I did, I’d just be like, “Oh.” … “Oh?” … “Oh!” … “Oh wow!”, etc.

[johnsmith]

USGO page for game 1: http://www.usgo.org/news/2016/11/cho-de ... ght-at-11/
SGF with Michael Redmond’s comments: http://www.usgo.org/news/wp-content/upl ... edmond.sgf
Video with Myungwan Kim’s comments: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erUj3iO5ybg

Thanks for sharing!

[Charlie]

Looks like Cho Chikun won 2:1. My guess of 3:0 wasn't far wrong.

[Go_Japan]

Looks like Cho Chikun won 2:1. My guess of 3:0 wasn't far wrong.

The third game seemed a lot like how Lee Sedol won, with a tesuji that the computer simply did not see/expect.

[Bonobo]

Looks like Cho Chikun won 2:1. My guess of 3:0 wasn't far wrong.

Heh, neither was mine with 1:2

[DrStraw]

Looks like Cho Chikun won 2:1. My guess of 3:0 wasn't far wrong.

Seems like the least popular choice (which was the one I made ) was the correct one.

An aside for the language people. If a plurality is the most common without being a majority, is the least popular a singularity?

[Bonobo]

CONGRATS to Cho Chikun!

CONGRATS also to Hideki Kato and team for programming a great Go AI which was able to win one game against Cho Chikun!

THANKS to everybody who participated in this poll! (my bet was Cho Chikun : Zen – 1 : 2)

THANKS to everybody involved in the event!

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Oh, and CONGRATULATIONS, of course, to everybody who guessed the correct outcome of the match!
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[Bill Spight]

An aside for the language people. If a plurality is the most common without being a majority, is the least popular a singularity?

[pookpooi]

And if majority means >50% does minority means <50% as well? So it's possible that one group can be both plurality and minority?

[skydyr]

And if majority means >50% does minority means <50% as well? So it's possible that one group can be both plurality and minority?

It can be <50%, or something smaller, depending on context. My own sense is that a plurality where there is no clear majority is not a minority, since it's the most common thing, but I don't know how much this is borne out by others. In the US, at least, there is also often mention made of minority-majority districts (for congressional representation, etc.) where a group that is a minority nationally is a majority within that subdivision.