Kingo Malkovitch#1: Jeromie vs. Hyperpape

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Re: Kingo Malkovitch#1: Jeromie vs. Hyperpape

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I think I could win the ko right now, but I really don't like leaving that aji. The plus side to this is that since that corner is secure I can also aim for a cut around a later. The timing isn't right for that now, but I think that may help me make some territory along the top. Black's moyo is massive now, so my next move will aim to invade. I gave an idea of what I'm thinking of above, but I need to consider the exact point carefully.
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I'm probably missing something about this worry about some ko ?
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$$ . . . . . 7 X . O . W W 1 . |
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I feel the game move :w32: = :wc: helps B fix the opening around R12.

I couldn't find the double hane :b3: from one database --
maybe Jeromie has other sources; I'll ask him.
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Post by EdLee »

Hi Jeromie,
(I found this sequence right after I played the joseki in the trigger, naturally.)
Did you find it from experimentation, or some reference materials or database ? (I'm curious.)
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EdLee wrote:
I'm probably missing something about this worry about some ko ?
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$$ . . . . . . 5 . W . . . 2 3 |
$$ . . . . . . X . O . W W 1 . |
$$ . . . . , . . . . B X B 6 7 |
$$ . . . . . . . X . . . . 8 . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]
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$$ . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . |
$$ . . . . . 8 6 . W . . . 2 3 |
$$ . . . . . 7 X . O . W W 1 . |
$$ . . . . , . . . . B X B 5 . |
$$ . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
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I feel the game move :w32: = :wc: helps B fix the opening around R12.

I couldn't find the double hane :b3: from one database --
maybe Jeromie has other sources; I'll ask him.
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I can understand jeromies worries somewhat. Answering at 4 does not allow any kos but also feels very submissive (If black were to play 3 at 5, white might want to answer with 4 at 3. Edit: actually It seems I'm wrong, josekipedia suggests playing at 6 even if black were to play 3 at 5). In your second sequence, having to crawl on the second line is pretty sad and also fixes blacks shape, more so then the game Also, are you completely sure black cant hane with 7 at 8?

If there werent any kings and it was a normal go game, w would surely prefer to cut with 4 and play the ko jeromie suggested.

All things considered, I like jeromies move! Also I'm exited, cause its the first time kingo has definitely led to a different move then normal go would.
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EdLee wrote:Hi Jeromie,
(I found this sequence right after I played the joseki in the trigger, naturally.)
Did you find it from experimentation, or some reference materials or database ? (I'm curious.)
I found it from a pattern search on Sensei’s Linrary. Since this is a common Joseki I didn’t play with it much, but I did try to look for common follow ups. That was surprisingly difficult to find.
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Re: Kingo Malkovitch#1: Jeromie vs. Hyperpape

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First reaction is that I don't get this move. It feels like endgame, and I want to tenuki to build the moyo. I'm going to mull it over, because maybe the kings mean I could get pushed around somehow. Also I don't really have a strong feel for where to play if I tenuki.
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Re: Kingo Malkovitch#1: Jeromie vs. Hyperpape

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$$ | . . W X . . . . . , . . e f . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . O W . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Here's a wide range of moves that spring to mind. d builds a bit, but is mostly defensive. b puts a lot of eggs in one basket.

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$$ | . . W , . . . . . 7 . 3 2 . B X B . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . 6 4 1 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . . . |
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I think right away, this cut isn't too dangerous.

I haven't mentioned pawns or kings, but I don't think I'd consider playing a king for any of these moves.
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I wonder about :b1: :
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$$ | . . . . O W . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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I feel very uncomfortable in positions this open ended, and often end up playing on instinct. For instance, when I try to analyze this super-large knight's move, I think of White playing a knight's move against my corner. What else should I consider?
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . O . W W W . |
$$ | . . W , . . . . . , . . . . B X B . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . |
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$$ | . . W O X X . X . a . 3 . 2 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O W . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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Perhaps leaving a is not so good.
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[go]$$Bcm33
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . O . W W W . |
$$ | . . W , . . . . . , . . . . B X B . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . |
$$ | . . W X . . . . . , 3 . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . W O X X . X . . . . . 2 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O W . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Seems alright.
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[go]$$Bcm33
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . O . W W W . |
$$ | . . W , . . . . . , . . . . B X B . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . , 1 . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W X . . . . . , 3 . . 9 7 X 5 . . |
$$ | . . W O X X . X . . . . . 2 . 6 4 8 . |
$$ | . . . . O W . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
This kind of development would really put all my eggs in one basket, but I think it could be good in spite of that?
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[go]$$Bcm33
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . 2 . . X . O . W W W . |
$$ | . . W , . . . . . , . . . . B X B . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . 3 . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . W O X X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O W . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: Kingo Malkovitch#1: Jeromie vs. Hyperpape

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[go]$$Bcm33
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . O . W W W . |
$$ | . . W , . . . . . , . . . . B X B . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . , 1 . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . W O X X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O W . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: Kingo Malkovitch#1: Jeromie vs. Hyperpape

Post by jeromie »

This move honestly surprised me. My initial thought is that it is an overplay, but looking at it more closely that may not be the case. Black doesn't necessarily need another move in the bottom right immediately, and if I'm not careful invading there will give black a lot of influence and make turning the center into territory easy.

Initial thoughts for moves (I'll need to think / read a bit before deciding):
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . a . . X . O . W W W . |
$$ | . . W , . . . . . , . . . . B X B . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . d . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . e , 1 . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . c . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . W O X X . X . . . . . b . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O W . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
  • a gives me a chance to make territory on the top and / or attack the cutting point in black's upper right.
  • b or c gives me a chance to invade the bottom right before it becomes territory. A high approach in that corner may also work.
  • d acts as a calm reduction that should be able to connect to the upper left.
  • e looks to indirectly attack black's last move and perhaps shore up my upper left where there may be some forcing moves.
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Re: Kingo Malkovitch#1: Jeromie vs. Hyperpape

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[go]$$Bcm33
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . O . W W W . |
$$ | . . W , . . . . . , . . a . B X B . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , 1 . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . W O X X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O W . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I feel like the right move is to play somewhere in the upper left quadrant with the aim of reducing the black moyo and exploiting the possible cut at a. I haven't decided on exactly where to play, though.
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Re: Kingo Malkovitch#1: Jeromie vs. Hyperpape

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[go]$$Bcm33
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . O . W W W . |
$$ | . . W , . . . . . , . . . . B X B . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , 1 . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . W O X X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O W . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I feel like I need to make a move from the outside to reduce the black moyo before I invade in the lower right. I wish I could say I had read out a bunch of variations and am certain this is the right place to play, but honestly I'm going on my gut. It's close to the sector line of black's moyo - perhaps it's just a touch beyond the line, but I think that's okay because of the potential cut on the top. I also considered K12, but felt it was just a touch too far. I want to take advantage of the cut marked with the triangle below without playing so closely that I induce him to fix the weakness right away. Whatever I do here, ending in sente is important: if black strengthens the outside and gets to play in the lower right,
I'll have a hard time catching up.

Remaining big areas:
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . a . . X . O . W W W . |
$$ | . . W , . . . . . , . . T . B X B . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . e , 1 . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . d . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . W O X X . X . . . . . c . . b . . |
$$ | . . . . O W . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: Kingo Malkovitch#1: Jeromie vs. Hyperpape

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This move is way further out than I expected. The immediate question is what happens if I just treat it as a reduction and play below it? Can white make me pay on the top?
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . O . W W W . |
$$ | . . W , . . . . . , . 9 8 . B X B . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . 0 X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 6 3 5 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , 1 . . . 7 , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . W O X X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O W . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm43
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . O . W W W . |
$$ | . . W , . . . . . , . X O . B X B . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . 2 O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X . . . X , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . W O X X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O W . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm33
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . O . W W W . |
$$ | . . W , . . . . . , . . . . B X B . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . 3 . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . , . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , 1 . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . W O X X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O W . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
This looks unambitious. I'm not in a really great position to attack White's stone, but maybe there is a move that can put some pressure on it?
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Re: Kingo Malkovitch#1: Jeromie vs. Hyperpape

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[go]$$Bcm33
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . O . W W W . |
$$ | . . W , . . . 3 . , . . . . B X B . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , 1 . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . W X . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . W O X X . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O W . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
My thought here is that this move simultaneously keeps my stone on the top safe, while threatening to separate White's central stone from his strong position on the left. If White plays to connect back (seems unlikely), or to reinforce the stone in the center (seems moderately likely), that feels very small, and I can take a big point to reinforce my moyo (should've done a rough count, but I didn't). If he leaves the stone in the center as a probe, and plays in the lower right, we'll go from there.
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