GoGoD Winter 2017

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Re: GoGoD Winter 2017

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Shenoute wrote:
ahd wrote:(...) Nobody is obliged to keep legacy things going forever, just for some go players who won't move on and get with the new bigger picture. (...)
(...)That being said, your characterizetion of myself (and probably others) as dim-witted individuals who are unable to see the light is something I take issue with.
Oh, I *am* one of those legacy customers. I just barely date back to the Actual Disk era. I have been enjoying the more recent innovations of pulling all the untold thousands of man-hours of curated go across to my computer directly and delving through it in my Copious Free Time (tm). Whatever implication you feel I have thrown at you, I have splashed on myself as well.

But the problem I face is this: Mark Hall left it all to John Fairbairn, no strings attached. No promises were made to keep all of the bits, rather than only the ones John felt were convenient to maintain solely by himself. No promises to keep it available in a way that maximised access and flexibility, rather than other criteria. As near as I can tell from over here in the opposite hemisphere, John can and has done with it what John chose to, and this is exactly what Mark wanted.

There are no words I have to persuade John to do otherwise, so from my humble point of view, the thing's gone.

I am *aware* that "delegate the online distribution to a volunteer with no time" is not the only choice he could have made. I'm sure there are any number of people lurking in this thread who would be happy to deliver the standard lectures on what they would do if they were John Fairbairn. We none of us are. Bigger picture has been drawn, we are not in it. What infinitesimal probability exists of that picture being redrawn, won't improve by nagging the owner to do what we want. I note from the lack of such nagging in this thread, that no, we are not dim-witted individuals unable to see the light. We're just sad.

Remaining options are: live with what is in the Summer 2017 edition, buy SmartGo, or become some variety of thief. I'm a Linux user and barely first dan, so the first option it is. When I run out of what the games in the last open edition can teach me, I'll ask AlphaGo For Dummies (2038 edition) for further lessons.
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Re: GoGoD Winter 2017

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Can I mediate to nip a rather unpleasant spat in the bud, please?

First let me correct the misinterpretations:

(1) I have not stopped issuing (or working on) GoGoD. It has been issued to SmartGo.

(2) I have simply not made a decision yet as to issuing it online. FWIW my thoughts are inclined towards switching to a Spring and Autumn schedule, leaving Winter and Summer to SmartGo. That leaves some time to see how things pan out in the back-to-work scenario. But SmartGo may adapt in the future and I will respond to that also.

(3) It is good to be reminded of T Mark at this time of year, close to the anniversary of his death 4 years ago. I promised him to try to achieve our original goal of 100,000 games before we both stopped (as I have stated before). We are now on over 95,000 games, so in a year's time or so, we could be having the same conversations anyway.

(4) The number of people who buy online as opposed to via SmartGo is tiny, so this is not a marketing issue. It's a test of my good nature, which is regularly tested in various ways - spats like this included.

(5) An online presence means more than sales. I means mainly dealing with mail from members of the go public - which includes quite a few narky people and people who won't RTFM. That is the issue with the online presence, not the setting up of site (which we have got already, anyway). Lest you think I understate tsi problem, let me remind you of gogameguru.

On a quite separate issue, I have just learned (accidentally, so it may be old news to AGA members), that Slate & Shell is n longer stocking paper books and that means about 5 or 6 of my titles (including Kamakura) are no longer available. The work of converting to e-books is just too great for Bill Cobb. In theory I could do it, but it doesn't make sense at present because (a) I have no time, (b) most people who want the books probably have them already, so only marginal sales would be possible, and (c) I have other books in the pipeline.

So if you want these books you should probably scurry round vendors who stocked up from Bill Cobb. But ley me remind you, too, that out of print does NOT mean out of copyright.
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Re: GoGoD Winter 2017

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John Fairbairn wrote:Can I mediate to nip a rather unpleasant spat in the bud, please?

First let me correct the misinterpretations:

(1) I have not stopped issuing (or working on) GoGoD. It has been issued to SmartGo.

(2) I have simply not made a decision yet as to issuing it online. FWIW my thoughts are inclined towards switching to a Spring and Autumn schedule, leaving Winter and Summer to SmartGo. That leaves some time to see how things pan out in the back-to-work scenario. But SmartGo may adapt in the future and I will respond to that also.
That's heartening.

(Still not buying SmartGo for my Linux desktop or putting go on my phone, but as stated, I'm a minority in the market who is glad to have gotten what I've gotten so far and doesn't expect to dictate your choices or to be particularly catered to. I don't think anyone in this thread expects those things, no matter how clumsy my phrasing has gotten.)

Have a merry Christmas.
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Re: GoGoD Winter 2017

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ahd wrote:Oh, I *am* one of those legacy customers. (...)
It seems I misinterpreted your comments then. Sorry for that.
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Re: GoGoD Winter 2017

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Shenoute wrote:It seems I misinterpreted your comments then. Sorry for that.
No worries. Have a merry Christmas.
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Re: GoGoD Winter 2017

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Thanks John for the clarifications, and for your great patience.
John Fairbairn wrote: (5) An online presence means more than sales. I means mainly dealing with mail from members of the go public - which includes quite a few narky people and people who won't RTFM. That is the issue with the online presence, not the setting up of site (which we have got already, anyway). Lest you think I understate this problem, let me remind you of gogameguru.
It's easy to forget this, for those of us who don't have to deal with it regularly...
John Fairbairn wrote: (2) I have simply not made a decision yet as to issuing it online. FWIW my thoughts are inclined towards switching to a Spring and Autumn schedule, leaving Winter and Summer to SmartGo. That leaves some time to see how things pan out in the back-to-work scenario. But SmartGo may adapt in the future and I will respond to that also.
OK, I'll keep my hopes up for spring :-)
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