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$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . O X O . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O X . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . X . X X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O . . X O X O O . |
$$ | . . X X . . . O . O O . . . O X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . B |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . O X O . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . W . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O X . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . X . X X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O . . X O X O O . |
$$ | . . X X . . . O . O O . . . O X X O . |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . X O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Wc
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$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . O X O . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O X . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . X . X X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O . . X O X O O . |
$$ | . . X X . . . O . O O . . . O X X O B |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I was gonna answer, but I don't think I can actually win this ko and I probably can't come back from loosing this corner.

Besides I don't think this threatens the life of any of my groups and he still needs another move to live, maybe this was a misplay on his part?
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . O X O . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O X . X . O . X . W . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . X . X X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O . . X O X O O . |
$$ | . . X X . . . O . O O . . . O X X O X |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Promising... side seems more valuable than corner anyway.
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Wooooo, sente, that doesn't happen too often XD.


Gotta take some time on this one, some first ideas:

S15 should get me the corner and threaten his group down below, if it it sente it might be the best move here.

J9 looks interesting.

O3 to take those 4 stones. Its big points wise, but almost certainly gote.

Somewhere on the lower left to shore up my weaknesses there.
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . O X O . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X B . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O X . X . O . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . X . X X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O . . X O X O O . |
$$ | . . X X . . . O . O O . . . O X X O X |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Let take this. I'm so strong in this area that I don't think he can tenuki here.
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . O X O . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X B . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . O O W . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O X . X . O . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . X . X X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O . . X O X O O . |
$$ | . . X X . . . O . O O . . . O X X O X |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . O X O . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O X . X . O . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . X . X X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O . . X O X O O . |
$$ | . . X X . B . O . O O . . . O X X O X |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
This should be sente and helps my connection there.
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . O X O . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O X . X . O . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . X . X X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . W . X O . . X O X O O . |
$$ | . . X X . X . O . O O . . . O X X O X |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Some reading to do, but I my first impression is that I can cut him at f2 now.

If that is the case then him pushing through where he peeped should be no big deal
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . O X O . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O X . X . O . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X B X . X X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X O . . X O X O O . |
$$ | . . X X . X . O . O O . . . O X X O X |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I found nothing that outright lost the game, but all the lines were long enough that I can't be certain about the outcome and it looked hella dangrous.

So lets go with the simple and safe option.
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . O X O . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O X . X . O . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . W X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X X X . X X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X O . . X O X O O . |
$$ | . . X X . X . O . O O . . . O X X O X |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I don't really play go anymore, so this is just for fun - what I feel like playing.
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . O X O . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O X . X . O . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . B . . . . X X X . X X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X O . . X O X O O . |
$$ | . . X X . X . O . O O . . . O X X O X |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Hane seems natural.

If he pulls back I'll cut off his two stones at the bottom
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . O X O . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O X . X . O . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . O X W . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . X X X . X X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X O . . X O X O O . |
$$ | . . X X . X . O . O O . . . O X X O X |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . O X O . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X X . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O X . X . O . X . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X X O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . X B . . . X X X . X X . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . O . X O . . X O X O O . |
$$ | . . X X . X . O . O O . . . O X X O X |
$$ | . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Sorry for the delay, I had some real life stuff going on.
Play simple moves to win?

I did not see the clamp coming and it looks kinda bad, so I assume its either a trap or a way to grab sente here.

It migth help a cut around E4, but since I get B7 in sente now I don't really see anything to be worried about here.
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