SGF VIEWER FLASHGOBAN Or EIDOGO

[flOvermind]

There isn't an exact analog to that, but you can press the appropriate alphanumeric that corresponds to the label on the board or its variation number (which should also display on the board). E.g. if you hit 2ddb11 on eidogo.com you'll find yourself navigating the avalanche joseki.

Nice feature

As for the issue with making a play or passing - they can just step back a move to get back to where they were... Are you looking for some sort of revert feature to restore the variation tree to its original state? That's probably possible; I'll look into adding it. In the mean time, they can click refresh in their browser.

Wouldn't it be better to just disable editing by default?

[fwiffo]

Well, people might want to still try out their own variations in a posted SGF file. They have to select a tool or click "pass" before they can screw up the tree.

[karaklis]

Luckily the vast majority voted for eidogo. I did so, too. The reason is that I have simply uninstalled flash. That's because it makes noise on the browser all the time and you cannot switch it off. Flash suxxxxx. I'm done with that.

[Bill Spight]

Many thanks for taking on the task, fwiffo! I'm sure everything will be cool.

[Tommie]

EidoGo, because the lay-out is nice,
resp. all info better readable than FlashGoban's.

The direct upload functionality is best!

If the size of EidoGo's board can be adjusted (to big)
what could one wish more?
(e.g. reading all kind of SGF tags ...)

[quantumf]

The reason is that I have simply uninstalled flash. That's because it makes noise on the browser all the time and you cannot switch it off. Flash suxxxxx. I'm done with that.

Flash does not "suxxxxx". Flash is a fantastic platform for releasing rich gui applications, nothing comes close in terms of features and widespread adoption.

What is true is that flash has been used in some unfortunate ways, and it has something of a lousy reputation for painful adverts and the like. That doesn't mean flash is bad, just that some people have used it in bad ways. Should HTML 5 get more traction, I assure that you'll be bombarded with awful applications using that technology too.

Personally I prefer the flash goban application, in terms of its implementation and features it's currently superior to eidogo, which continues to feel rather brittle to me (although its steadily improving).

[karaklis]

Flash does not "suxxxxx". Flash is a fantastic platform for releasing rich gui applications, nothing comes close in terms of features and widespread adoption.

I don't deny that you can do fantastic things with flash, but as long as there is no control that allows switching off sound permanently, it will remain uninstalled on my computer. I am really fed up with all the unwanted noise that comes from flash ad banners.

[unkx80]

Flash does not "suxxxxx". Flash is a fantastic platform for releasing rich gui applications, nothing comes close in terms of features and widespread adoption.

I don't deny that you can do fantastic things with flash, but as long as there is no control that allows switching off sound permanently, it will remain uninstalled on my computer. I am really fed up with all the unwanted noise that comes from flash ad banners.

Interesting. I have Flash installed. I use use Firefox with Adblock Plus. I don't remember when was the last time I encountered a Flash application that annoyed me with unwanted noise.

(An exception is Flash games, but it is because I choose to visit the site to play them, i.e., they are not advertisements, and most well-behaved Flash games offer the option to mute.)

[topazg]

Interesting. I have Flash installed. I use use Firefox with Adblock Plus. I don't remember when was the last time I encountered a Flash application that annoyed me with unwanted noise.

(An exception is Flash games, but it is because I choose to visit the site to play them, i.e., they are not advertisements, and most well-behaved Flash games offer the option to mute.)

Same here...

[fwiffo]

I do the same, but flash is an unstable CPU and memory hog. Even if I turn it on only for "trusted" sites like YouTube or here, it will crash my browser periodically, or just quit working. I marvel that anyone has had a positive experience with flash. Still, I know some people prefer the flash thing, so I'm working on a solution that lets viewers choose which they prefer.

I would also like to know of any specific problems people have with EidoGo, since I'd like to improve it enough to make the flash version completely unnecessary in the long-term.

[unkx80]

I do the same, but flash is an unstable CPU and memory hog. Even if I turn it on only for "trusted" sites like YouTube or here, it will crash my browser periodically, or just quit working. I marvel that anyone has had a positive experience with flash. Still, I know some people prefer the flash thing, so I'm working on a solution that lets viewers choose which they prefer.

I would also like to know of any specific problems people have with EidoGo, since I'd like to improve it enough to make the flash version completely unnecessary in the long-term.

I voted "Both", but I meant "Any". In other words, I am perfectly okay if the Flash SGF viewer is replaced by Eidogo.

[mitsun]

The problem with the invisible stones has a fix ...

What is the fix? I have that problem will all games posted here, although the Eidogo site works fine.

[Phelan]

I don't know what the problem could be, but I know you should say what browser you're using, at least.

I don't have it, all games seem to work.

[fwiffo]

The fix is in place, so it should work just fine. What web browser and version are you using? If you're using Internet Explorer 6, you should upgrade. It makes no more sense to write fixes for IE6 any more than it would to write them for NCSA Mosaic.

[mitsun]

Yes, I have IE6, so I will see if I can upgrade. Meanwhile I have another computer with Firefox which works fine, so I am in business. Thanks for the help.