New Super Meijin Tournament (interviews)

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Re: New Super Meijin Tournament (interviews)

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xed_over wrote:
kokomi wrote:hmm...

[flash=]http://player.56.com/v_NTM2OTIzMjk.swf[/flash]

hmm, why this flash doesn't work...

because the flash code has been moved:

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$ curl http://player.56.com/v_NTM2OTIzMjk.swf

<html>
<head><title>301 Moved Permanently</title></head>
<body bgcolor="white">
<center><h1>301 Moved Permanently</h1></center>
<hr><center>nginx</center>
</body>
</html>


eu, i wanted to embed it in the post like SodesuNe did in his journal.

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Magicwand wrote:White is in bad shape and needs to play one more move.


Could you provide some hint as to what Black threatens? My diagram is a somewhat unusual or archaic joseki, but it has been played several times not too long ago, for example, by Park Jung-Sang in 2005 (although it appears more often in older games). I have never seen the keima.
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Harleqin wrote:
Magicwand wrote:White is in bad shape and needs to play one more move.


Could you provide some hint as to what Black threatens? My diagram is a somewhat unusual or archaic joseki, but it has been played several times not too long ago, for example, by Park Jung-Sang in 2005 (although it appears more often in older games). I have never seen the keima.

to all go players who whats to improve:
whether you seen the keima shape or not i dont care. i am sure you can read why i am suggesting keima.
i really dont care if the professionals played such move before. it leaves cutting point aji and i think white's shape is bad so i dont like it.
why are people trying to copy professionals? many times they expriment with new shape and later conclude it to be suboptimal.
if you can not feel the weakness with your own skin you will never imporve. have your own opinion and do not accept the joseki just because it is written. many times i experiment with new shapes and josekies before i accept the the fact the shape is bad or good. i am thinking that is one of the reason why i improved faster than others.
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Well, just compare it to this:

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[go]$$
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . X . a . . . . .
$$ | . . . , B X . . . .
$$ | . . . O O . O . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ ---------------------[/go]


The only difference is that :bc: is now at 'a'. Can this difference mean that the white stones are now weaker?
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Harleqin wrote:Well, just compare it to this:

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[go]$$
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . X . a . . . . .
$$ | . . . , B X . . . .
$$ | . . . O O . O . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ ---------------------[/go]


The only difference is that :bc: is now at 'a'. Can this difference mean that the white stones are now weaker?


Also, White has a stone on the left edge. I think White's must be fine in this diagram, and Black's shape feels more acceptable. The cut at "a" if White pushes feels very hairy to me.
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topazg wrote:
Harleqin wrote:Well, just compare it to this:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . X . a . . . . .
$$ | . . . , B X . . . .
$$ | . . . O O . O . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ ---------------------[/go]


The only difference is that :bc: is now at 'a'. Can this difference mean that the white stones are now weaker?


Also, White has a stone on the left edge. I think White's must be fine in this diagram, and Black's shape feels less vulnerable now. The cut at "a" if White pushes feels very hairy to me. However, I do much prefer Gu Li's variation :)
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The most important thing for me is to be the strongest player in China. I am focused on improving my skill to achieve bigger successes. I believe that the best women seek successful men, and I have not yet achieved enough success.


So he admits that his goal with improving his Go skill is to get the best women. Refreshingly frank, though not surprising of course.
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palapiku wrote:
The most important thing for me is to be the strongest player in China. I am focused on improving my skill to achieve bigger successes. I believe that the best women seek successful men, and I have not yet achieved enough success.


So he admits that his goal with improving his Go skill is to get the best women. Refreshingly frank, though not surprising of course.


:D insightful interpretation
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Magicwand wrote:
Harleqin wrote:I think that cutting would have been fine, but the idea might have been that the far pincer would reduce the usefulness of Black's resulting strength (I have the impression that Gu Li's style is more on the grab-territory-then-shinogi side). However, for that I think that it would have been better to play this:

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[go]$$Wc
$$ | . . . , . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . X . 2 . . . . . .
$$ | . . . , . X . . . , .
$$ | . . . O 1 . 3 . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ -----------------------[/go]


I think that this would not give Black so much thickness, but White also gets less territory.


i have to disagree on above diag.
white is in bad shape and need to play one more move.

this picture is better than your diag but really submissive..
therfore what guli played is better than both your and my diag.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc
$$ | . . . , . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . X . 2 . . . . . .
$$ | . . . , . X . . . , .
$$ | . . . O 1 . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . 3 . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ -----------------------[/go]


Strange...
I distinctly remember the move in-game as a joseki.
After that, if memory serves, Black should play somewhere around the White stone along the left... but now there is this White stone there, of course, so it seems good for White. Anybody can do their google magic and confirm that?

The 3 you suggest looks really weak... no need to play a 2nd line move like that in this position... yuck.
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