MogoTW CrayXT4/XT5 vs. Catalin Taranu 5 dan pro at EGC 2010

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MogoTW CrayXT4/XT5 vs. Catalin Taranu 5 dan pro at EGC 2010

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The 54th European Go Congress 2010 in Tampere, Finland features the Man vs. Machine event on Wednesday 28th July, 15:00 FST (GMT+3). MogoTW will meet Catalin Taranu on 9x9 and 19x19 matches, broadcast on KGS Go Server.

More about the topic: http://www.egc2010.fi/news.php

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Re: MogoTW CrayXT4/XT5 vs. Catalin Taranu 5 dan pro at EGC 2

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Vesa wrote:broadcast on KGS Go Server.

In which room?

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Re: MogoTW CrayXT4/XT5 vs. Catalin Taranu 5 dan pro at EGC 2

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English Game Room, see accounts EGC2010 and EGC2010Bot.

The 9x9 game was a convincing win for the humanity, 19x19 game with 7 handicap stones will follow shortly.

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Re: MogoTW CrayXT4/XT5 vs. Catalin Taranu 5 dan pro at EGC 2

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Here's the 9x9 game :



and indeed, black had no chances.
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Re: MogoTW CrayXT4/XT5 vs. Catalin Taranu 5 dan pro at EGC 2

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And the bot just won with H7 :



Well done, mogo :cool:
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Re: MogoTW CrayXT4/XT5 vs. Catalin Taranu 5 dan pro at EGC 2

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Awww, the bot plays handicap-weasel style.
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Re: MogoTW CrayXT4/XT5 vs. Catalin Taranu 5 dan pro at EGC 2

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fwiffo wrote:Awww, the bot plays handicap-weasel style.

M17 was pretty nice.
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Re: MogoTW CrayXT4/XT5 vs. Catalin Taranu 5 dan pro at EGC 2

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Yeah, but if I was giving somebody 7 stones, and they played 3-3 points in the opening like that, I wouldn't offer them a game again any time soon.
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Re: MogoTW CrayXT4/XT5 vs. Catalin Taranu 5 dan pro at EGC 2

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fwiffo wrote:Yeah, but if I was giving somebody 7 stones, and they played 3-3 points in the opening like that, I wouldn't offer them a game again any time soon.


I would.

A human player has weaknesses all over his game. If he gives you 7 stones, the reasons for the strength difference are in all stages. If he starts out with "weaseling", he is shedding points for security, but he will not be able to keep a small advantage through the late mid- and the endgame.

A bot using UTC (refined, etc.), on the other hand, has its weakest game at the start, and progressively gets stronger the closer the game comes to the end. It actually makes sense for it to give up points, as long as it survives to the stage where its strengths are.
A good system naturally covers all corner cases without further effort.
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