Gomoto's Fuseki Studies Vol. 8: Debunking the Chinese Fuseki

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Elf to the rescue!

Chinese Fuseki as played by Elf against Leela:

Black is winning. Leela agrees, but not about the percentage ;-)

Who would have thought that Facebook will save the chinese fuseki :twisted:


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We live in interesting times. Instead of pros discarding and reviving patterns on a monthly basis we have AIs doing it daily. (Or more frequently if we were watching.)
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Other watched the inventions of the steam and petrol engines. I am happy to see the invention of the intuition engine.
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An interesting point in this game is that elf don't use the usual joseki to answer the 3-3 invasion.

Previous pattern in this thread :
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$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
Elf choice is to keep sente :

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[go]$$c Black to move
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X X X X . . |
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$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
Black gives white a bigger corner, and has reduced influence over the top side. Would be intersting to see how elf evaluate the difference in "estimate winrate" between these two positions
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(And be aware, Elf would play differently as white.)
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Elf versus the chinese opening:

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