Joseki 4-4, low approach, low extension, contact variation

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Re: Joseki 4-4, low approach, low extension, contact variati

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This is a related nice diagonal fuseki idea for black:
(Most people play move a. I like the black position. Just won my first game with this fuseki. A nice alternative to my standard fusekis.)
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[go]$$B
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . X O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: Joseki 4-4, low approach, low extension, contact variati

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Let us have a look at this nobi variation:
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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O . . . . . . .
$$ | . 1 X O . O . . . .
$$ | . . . X . . . . . ,
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . X . . . . . . .
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . ,[/go]

This is the only answer in my opinion. (E18 is misconsidered as joseki too, after white E18 a move by black at 2 is just too good):
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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O . . . . . . .
$$ | . 1 X O . O . . . .
$$ | . . . X 2 . . . . ,
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . X . . . . . . .
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . , . . . . . ,[/go]
The nobi variation is a good option for white if black attaches early like in this game:
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[go]$$Wc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 1 O X a X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Song Hyeryung 2p - Lee Seongjae 9p, B+Resign (Komi 6.5)
12th Korean GG Auction Cup, game 12, 2018-08-20

(in the game white played the standard move at a instead)

continuation (not the game):
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[go]$$Wc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . b . . a . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O 2 . . . . 6 . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 1 O X 4 X . . . . . . . . . . c . . |
$$ | . 5 X 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
(good options for white are now a,b,c)
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Re: Joseki 4-4, low approach, low extension, contact variati

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And one more variation:
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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . 1 O . . . . . . .
$$ | . . X O . O . . . .
$$ | . . . X . . . . . ,
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . .
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . ,[/go]
here I prefer this continuation:
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[go]$$Bc
$$ --------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . 1 O . 2 . . . . .
$$ | . . X O . O . . . .
$$ | . . . X . . . . . ,
$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . X . . . . . . .
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . , . . . . . ,[/go]
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc
$$ --------------------
$$ | . . 3 . . . . . . .
$$ | . 1 . 5 2 . . . . .
$$ | . . X O . O . . . .
$$ | . . . X 4 . . . . ,
$$ | . . . 6 . . . . . .
$$ | . . X . . . . . . .
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . ,[/go]
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Re: Joseki 4-4, low approach, low extension, contact variati

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I like to post these variations to keep track of my standard candidate moves and candidate variations. (As always I am happy if you show me positions were another variation is the better option.)
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