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Gomoto
Gosei
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by Gomoto Sun Dec 02, 2018 1:10 pm
shape #1
Black to play
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The only move:
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Bill Spight
Honinbo
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by Bill Spight Sun Dec 02, 2018 1:30 pm
Well, I goofed!
The Adkins Principle:At some point, doesn't thinking have to go on?
Uberdude
Judan
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by Uberdude Sun Dec 02, 2018 2:50 pm
Often after kick the bots like to push up.
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If you push without kick then either immediately or in future this attach and cut is a nice tactic for white to make black inefficient, hence the kick makes more sense.
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sorin
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by sorin Sun Dec 02, 2018 8:37 pm
Gomoto wrote:
The only move:
That's almost never the case that anything is "the only move", especially in the opening.
I can think of at least 4 more "only moves"
Also, are there any other stones nearby? Or on the rest of the board?
Gomoto
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by Gomoto Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:53 pm
Tenuki is always an option. Let us think about the local candidate moves in this shape.
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Joaz Banbeck
Judan
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by Joaz Banbeck Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:51 am
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jlt
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by jlt Mon Dec 03, 2018 2:08 am
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sorin
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by sorin Mon Dec 03, 2018 2:43 pm
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Gomoto
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by Gomoto Mon Dec 03, 2018 2:51 pm
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Gomoto
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by Gomoto Mon Dec 03, 2018 2:53 pm
@jlt&joaz: have a look at uberdude's variations, the combination with the kick and the push up is just better
sorin
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by sorin Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:29 pm
Interesting, I also checked and of the several board positions I tried, it looks like LeelaZero is obsessed with kosumi-tsuke
jlt
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by jlt Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:52 am
If there are other stones nearby, LZ157 doesn't necessarily choose the kosumi-tsuke (the position below may be artificial).
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Vio
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by Vio Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:41 pm
Doesn't need LZ to have a feeling that C15 inducing D14 could be a pretty bad move.
