Hi Bill, Thanks. Yea, the pros have also picked up on the 3-4 attach.
The old style slide is now a rare move for the bots.
could you please review my game?
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Re:
Ed,
as almost around damé, thus misplaced.
You've got to keep an eye on that computer of yours. It is cheating.
If you let it give white an extra stone, and allow it to move one of white's stones, any black play can be made to look bad.
The question is: does this move look misplaced?
Or, assuming that Bill's computer is not slipping extra stones on the board...
Then the question is: does this move look misplaced?Bill Spight wrote:...DL has White respond with a peep from the right side, and after Black connects, with a push/descent, which Black hanes. The result is that the jump becomes dame and Black is pressed for eyes, but the White group on the right side is weak...
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Re: could you please review my game?
FWIW, LZ 202 thinks high 2 space extension (which in combo with the slide would get you chided in the past) is very slightly better than low, jump not as good as q5 attachment if you want to push the boundary to lower side as that makes a good shape next, unlike the jump with the peep weakness pointed out. But all these moves are ok, pick whichever you are happier with that reduces the chance of making big mistakes which matter in the future.
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Re: could you please review my game?
Deep Leela suggests this:
The Adkins Principle:
At some point, doesn't thinking have to go on?
— Winona Adkins
Visualize whirled peas.
Everything with love. Stay safe.
At some point, doesn't thinking have to go on?
— Winona Adkins
Visualize whirled peas.
Everything with love. Stay safe.
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Re: Re:
Turns out I misread the board. Deep Leela actually prefers the kosumitsuke forJoaz Banbeck wrote:Ed,
You've got to keep an eye on that computer of yours. It is cheating.
If you let it give white an extra stone, and allow it to move one of white's stones, any black play can be made to look bad.
The question is: does this move look misplaced?
Or, assuming that Bill's computer is not slipping extra stones on the board...Then the question is: does this move look misplaced?Bill Spight wrote:...DL has White respond with a peep from the right side, and after Black connects, with a push/descent, which Black hanes. The result is that the jump becomes dame and Black is pressed for eyes, but the White group on the right side is weak...
.The Adkins Principle:
At some point, doesn't thinking have to go on?
— Winona Adkins
Visualize whirled peas.
Everything with love. Stay safe.
At some point, doesn't thinking have to go on?
— Winona Adkins
Visualize whirled peas.
Everything with love. Stay safe.
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Hi Joaz,
As mentioned multiple times now, DL is on a browser; I'm not sure which device is doing the playout calculations. It fails to load on an ancient iPad (maybe stylesheets issues), but it works OK on an iphone5. The point is unless you have an ancient device like a first-generation iPad, you can use DL yourself. I added the extra
stone for dame, not DL. The mirrored knight's was a typo. Anyway, it seems higher-end LZs like the game move 
2-space low jump or the 2-space high jump slightly (~2%) better than the 1-space jump 
, within the margin of error, all playable by humans. But I wouldn't play the 1-space jump ; just my preference. (~68%) than the game move (~70%), followed by a peep, yes. A slightly different variation:
Higher-end LZs may give different variations.
LZ 202 has a pretty interface.
As mentioned multiple times now, DL is on a browser; I'm not sure which device is doing the playout calculations. It fails to load on an ancient iPad (maybe stylesheets issues), but it works OK on an iphone5. The point is unless you have an ancient device like a first-generation iPad, you can use DL yourself. I added the extra
stone for dame, not DL. The mirrored knight's was a typo. Anyway, it seems higher-end LZs like the game move 2-space low jump or the 2-space high jump slightly (~2%) better than the 1-space jump , within the margin of error, all playable by humans. But I wouldn't play the 1-space jump ; just my preference.Hi Bill, I also figured out a way to get an approx. from DL; DL also shows ~2% lower for the 1-space jumpI managed to do so.
It is rated around 3% less than the 2 space extension on the right side, which is close to the margin of error.
(~68%) than the game move (~70%), followed by a peep, yes. A slightly different variation:
Higher-end LZs may give different variations.LZ 202 has a pretty interface.
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Re: could you please review my game?
Thanks for the advice, Ed, but I still feel that I'd be making a deal with the devil.
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I don't like black 1 in this diagram, I think black at "a" is better.
The reason is that white is strong on the lower side (in fact, all of white's moves have been invested in the lower side so far), so black wants to stay away from white's strength.
The sequence in this diagram shows one way for white to exploit black's indiscretion, by turning black's group into a target to be harassed.
(I saw the other post showing a maybe smarter way for black to respond with a diagonal move instead of 3 here, but this is to keep things simple - in reality, white's best move may not be to directly peep at 2 either).
Also, this being a handicap game, there is extra reason for black to try to keep the game simpler and not create unnecessary targets for white to attack.
The reason is that white is strong on the lower side (in fact, all of white's moves have been invested in the lower side so far), so black wants to stay away from white's strength.
The sequence in this diagram shows one way for white to exploit black's indiscretion, by turning black's group into a target to be harassed.
(I saw the other post showing a maybe smarter way for black to respond with a diagonal move instead of 3 here, but this is to keep things simple - in reality, white's best move may not be to directly peep at 2 either).
Also, this being a handicap game, there is extra reason for black to try to keep the game simpler and not create unnecessary targets for white to attack.
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Re: could you please review my game?
Is 5 for 6 a good or bad exchange for black? Might be better to directly descend at 7 to not help white build eyeshape, but it's still painful to play a gote move on 2nd line like that. Also turn at b another idea for 5, aiming to develop in the centre and play c shoulder hit later.sorin wrote:
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Re: could you please review my game?
I like to make the 5-6 exchange,to force white to respond (while later, white may just jump at a if black 5), but I can see why one may also want to play 5 directly at 7. In fact, LZ seems to agree with you.Uberdude wrote:Is 5 for 6 a good or bad exchange for black? Might be better to directly descend at 7 to not help white build eyeshape, but it's still painful to play a gote move on 2nd line like that. Also turn at b another idea for 5, aiming to develop in the centre and play c shoulder hit later.sorin wrote:
Anyway, these are small differences we are talking about, I just wanted to point out the high-level consequences of black 1 vs black a, for the black player in a handicap game.
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Re: could you please review my game?
For sure, I agree that extending is good, doubly so in a handicap game.sorin wrote: Anyway, these are small differences we are talking about, I just wanted to point out the high-level consequences of black 1 vs black a, for the black player in a handicap game.