Ask a merchant banker. Or a climatologist. Or a deal-maker. Or a trader. Or a ball-breaker poker player. Or His Golden Royal Excellent Empire Duckness, who is all them rolled up into one.Pippen wrote:How big of an disadvantage is -5%?
Lady Bracknell wrote:to lose 5% on one move may be considered unfortunate, but to lose 5% on each of 20 moves looks like carelessness.
As a human dan player you will sometimes be capable of correctly distinguishing one move as better than another when LZ sees the difference as small as 1%. But other times you won't realise you made 10% mistakes. Your blunders could be 20-30% or even more. Very roughly I'd guess you might make 30 mistakes in a game >= than 5%. Also bear in mind these % mistakes are quite a different scale to number of points loss of the human feeling of how big a mistake is: for example a 1 point mistake in an endgame you were winning by half could be -60%, an unconditional loss of 5 points in a middlegame you are winning by loads just -4%.Pippen wrote:How big of an disadvantage is that?Tryss wrote:With LZ #197, at around 10k visits, it's roughly :
-4.5%
-5%
-7.5%
-7%
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None shall Pass. It ain't over 'till the fat lady sings.Pippen wrote: from 1.000 games Black would win ~535 and White would win ~465, so enough chances for White still, right?
Right. For amateurs only the endgame matters.Pippen wrote:So basically it comes down to: fuseki doesn't matter below pro-level play.
which suggests two things:Bill Spight wrote: if you consider the number of amateur errors that are larger than any of the pro errors, in terms of win rate, the amateurs made 15 or 16 of those, if I counted correctly, and all of them were in the middle game.
Ilogical? Maybe it's time for a challenge. If I got it correctly this is the worst of my split fusekis, according to LZ:jaca wrote:Black Knight Pippen can get away with fundamentally illogical fuseki
Maybe that's the start of my glory as the inventor of the 21th century "Pippen-Fuseki". *dream*you are already world-famous, and we will all do everything we can to further glorify your holy name in tablets of stone.Pippen wrote:the start of my glory as the inventor of the 21th century "Pippen-Fuseki
i don't care that you are trying to cheat here, claiming that a win rate of 40% is a logical proof!Pippen wrote:If it is more or equal to 4, you can't say this fuseki is illogical,
Isn't a considered too slow and gote these days?Pippen wrote:@Tryss: How much worse are a or b compared to what LZ suggests (because both are my favourites, and even Leela 11 like them)?
Leela 11 was trained on human play.Aidoneus wrote:Isn't a considered too slow and gote these days?Pippen wrote:@Tryss: How much worse are a or b compared to what LZ suggests (because both are my favourites, and even Leela 11 like them)?
Sorry Bill, I don't follow you here. I was refering to the 3-3 defense of the corner, which seems gote and slow...but then I am still just a humble little kyu.Bill Spight wrote:Leela 11 was trained on human play.Aidoneus wrote:Isn't a considered too slow and gote these days?Pippen wrote:@Tryss: How much worse are a or b compared to what LZ suggests (because both are my favourites, and even Leela 11 like them)?