Video: Reviewing with LeelaZero/Lizzie (1st draft)

[jlt]

Something that hasn't been addressed by others: for a non-native speaker, your accent may be a tad strong.

I am also a non-native speaker who is more used to american English but had no difficulties with Uberdude's accent. On the other hand, I can imagine that the pace may be a bit fast for many non-native speakers, so if the video is meant to be for an international audience, it could be useful to

• either slow down a bit
• and/or add a few subtitles (no need to reproduce every sentence, but only key ideas).

[Knotwilg]

In the first two cases, Leela often suggests sequences that I would never be able to play, and nor would an SDK opponent. But equally often it suggests an obviously better move that is within my Go vocabulary, but which I just didn't think of at the time. That is helpful.

That is interesting! In my case (1-2d) it is different.

I would say that LZ's suggestions are remarkably often moves that are in my vocab and much less often the kind of "ear reddening moves" I would expect AI to come up with. Most of my "blind spots" are not moves I'm unable to see but moves I dismiss because I misread what's underneath it or because I have "learned" they are bad (the early 3-3 is the prime example of that, for all of us, and has made it back into our repertoire).

The most instructive lessons from LZ is its relentless quest for sente, playing elsewhere asap and leaving stones or groups in a less stable state than we have been taught, like without a base. As said elsewhere, I have also learnt that attacking should either bring immediate profit in the form of territory, or build a framework with an existing group at the other side.

On a more general level, I'm trying to acquire LZ's language and "see sequences" from frequent analyses. While practicing this, I have realized I see many candidate moves but tend to evaluate those at face value or even convince myself my first choice is the right one, instead of seeing the sequence behind it.

[Uberdude]

Thanks all for the feedback. I'm busy the next few days but hopefully next week I'll have time for another go.

[MikeKyle]

I watched this out of curiosity, thinking that it wasn't really for me. I got the impression from the title of the thread and videos that this was an install and basic use guide for people brand new to lizzie. I was quite pleased with the go content though - in terms of practically interpreting bot advice.

I agree with what's been said about different videos for different sections. Kyu games would be good, but also I'd be interested to see the pro game review too

[jonsa]

Uberdude, I thought your content and delivery was good; I appreciated that you weren't reading from a script (as some tutorials do -- they sound very stiff). It sounded to me like you have a very good grasp of Lizzie/LeelaZero AND are able to convey that (in addition to your Go knowledge). Others have mentioned things that could be polished, but on the whole I think it is very good. I am 10 kyu and thought your comments on a 4D game were perfectly intelligible.

The only thing I would comment on is that I still do not know how to install Lizzie on a Mac. I get the impression that you are pretty comfortable with computers (as you have installed it ) and, likewise, that many on this forum are also computer competent. I am not: I open the Lizzie read-me and I don't understand what to do with 'example of compiling Leela Zero'. I do not know what config.h is or how to open it in order to compile the CPU-only version of Leela Zero. I read on an old r/cbaduk post that one must be comfortable with cmake/make. I do not know what these things are.

What would be helpful for me (I hope that I am not alone in this) is a tutorial where someone went step by step: downloading lizzie, downloading the programs (or at least mentioning them; you mentioned Java, which was helpful) needed to compile Lizzie, and then compiling it.

This sort of tutorial I desire may not be your goal, but I haven't seen anybody with my problem here, so I thought I would take the chance to ask. Regarding using Lizzie and reviewing with it, the video is excellent.

Edit: I just found a recent post on cbaduk 'troubleshooting Leela Zero on Mac' which I think answers my plight (so I have taken a large chunk of my post and hidden it).

[Knotwilg]

I added a table of contents to both videos, allowing to jump to the section of interest.

Reviewing your video with more attention, I find them very instructive indeed.

[xela]

Sorry to be so late to the party! Only just caught up on this, very nice :-)

I think I got rather carried away with maybe too much Go content rather than focused on Lizzie instruction and ended up going for over an hour, but then discovered Quicktime only lets you upload 15 minutes even if your Youtube account allows longer as mine does. So here are 2 videos for the first 30 minutes. What do you think?

Yes, in part 2 you do seem more interested in the content than in the software, but I don't mind that. I'd like to see the remaining half hour some time :-)

This is just a 1st draft, I plan to make a slicker version for the London Go Centre's Youtube channel

Did the slicker version ever get made? At a quick glance, it's not easy to find on the London Go Centre's Youtube channel.