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Re: Big Brother Malkovich #2

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[go]$$Wcm16 Move 16 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 Corrections: B=8, W=7
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I haven't been able to spend too much time reading out variations, but gut feeling says I have to cut here, and this seems like the easiest way. I will do some serious readingin a bit.
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Re: Big Brother Malkovich #2

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Aphelion wrote:
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[go]$$Wcm16 Move 16 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 Corrections: B=8, W=7
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I haven't been able to spend too much time reading out variations, but gut feeling says I have to cut here, and this seems like the easiest way. I will do some serious readingin a bit.


My gut feel says that this is the right idea, but implemented in the wrong way.

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[go]$$Wcm16 Move 16 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 Corrections: B=8, W=7
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I like this better. When we attach to a stone, the ensuing fight will make it stronger. We do not want to make the target stones stronger.
This may be a moot point, for best play may result in both moves being played.
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Re: Big Brother Malkovich #2

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[go]$$Wcm16 Move 16 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 Corrections: B=7, W=7
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Re: Big Brother Malkovich #2

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[go]$$Bcm17 Move 17 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 Corrections: B=7, W=7
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I don't see how we can still keep our stones connected and theirs separated. This is the best move that comes to me for that purpose, but I'm not sure if it works.
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Re: Big Brother Malkovich #2

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Approved!

We don't need to keep everything connected, or even alive. We just need to choose carefully :)
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Re: Big Brother Malkovich #2

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[go]$$Bcm17 Move 17 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 Corrections: B=7, W=7
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Sorry for the long wait. I was about to post many times before yet I kept feeling uncertain, I will try to play more on instinct from now on to speed this up.

I tried reading this out a bunch of times....oddly it seems that both the bump and double hane works. That suggests something is wrong with my reading but I can't figure out what. Double hane is the shape move here, and my reading (which is surely flawed) seem to indicate that it leaves a more severe cut in White's shape if he tries to resist with this move. Notice the bottom diagrams and the cut at 'a' bothering W.
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[go]$$Bcm17 Move 17 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 Corrections: B=7, W=7
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[go]$$Bcm17 Move 17 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 Corrections: B=7, W=7
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Re: Big Brother Malkovich #2

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Aphelion wrote:
I tried reading this out a bunch of times....oddly it seems that both the bump and double hane works. That suggests something is wrong with my reading...



Hey Aphelion:
Why does that suggest something is wrong with your reading? Why can't they both work?
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Re: Big Brother Malkovich #2

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I approve.
I looks bad for us, but we are in too deep to quit now.
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Re: Big Brother Malkovich #2

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There's something wrong with each of Aphelion's variations:

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[go]$$Bcm17 Move 17 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 Corrections: B=7, W=7
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Black seems done for.

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[go]$$Bcm17 Move 17 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 Corrections: B=7, W=7
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Here white has a ladder. If black instead descended one more time, then it's as above but with white's inside group having yet another liberty.

I'm not seeing a line for black to capture, but just countering these two lines doesn't mean there isn't one, of course. Any help?
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Re: Big Brother Malkovich #2

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prokofiev wrote:
Black seems done for.



I don't think so.

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[go]$$Bcm1
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Re: Big Brother Malkovich #2

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walleye wrote:
prokofiev wrote:
Black seems done for.



I don't think so.

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[go]$$Bcm1
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Thanks! Guess I was missing the point of black's kosumi. Looks like black can descend one more time and do this in the current variation as well.
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Re: Big Brother Malkovich #2

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Whilst I wait, here's my reading:

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[go]$$Bcm17 Move 17 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 Corrections: B=7, W=7
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$$ | . . . , O . . . . O . X . 6 O 5 X 9 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 1 3 4 8 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X 2 X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 0 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
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[go]$$Bcm27 Move 27 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 Corrections: B=7, W=7
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . O . X . O O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O W 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm27 Move 27 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 Corrections: B=7, W=7
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . O . X . O O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O W . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X 2 . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm27 Move 27 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 Corrections: B=7, W=7
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . O . X . O O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O W 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm27 Move 27 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 Corrections: B=7, W=7
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 3 5 . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . 2 1 O O X . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . O . X . O O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O W . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Am really unsure about :w22: though. It opens up some lines better, but is a terrible move if we're sacrificing anyway. Will worry about it when we get there.

Am also messing around with:

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[go]$$Bcm17 Move 17 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 Corrections: B=7, W=7
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 6 4 . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . O . X . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 1 2 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X 3 X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Thing is, I'm not sure if saving those stones is worth Black's potential on the right hand side. It could be huge. The potential in my first line is in White's favour to compensate for the loss. Here, I'm not sure if keeping those stones alive is enough.
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Re: Big Brother Malkovich #2

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Sorry for the delay.
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[go]$$Bcm17 Move 17 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 Corrections: B=7, W=7
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . O . X . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X W . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I don't see any other move that still keeps the groups separated.
a1h1 [1d]: You just need to curse the gods and defend.
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Re: Big Brother Malkovich #2

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if approved by topazg:
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[go]$$Bcm19 Move 19 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 Corrections: B=7, W=7
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . O . X . . O , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X B X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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Re: Big Brother Malkovich #2

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Approved

I misread. The following is great looking:

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[go]$$Bcm19 Move 19 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 Corrections: B=7, W=7
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 6 4 . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . O . X . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 1 2 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X 3 X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The following? Not so much :(

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[go]$$Bcm19 Move 19 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 Corrections: B=7, W=7
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 7 4 6 . O O X . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . O . X . 5 O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 2 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X 3 X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think :w24: can be at :w25:, so I'll play that way, but this could be awkward at best. Maybe as follows:

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[go]$$Bcm19 Move 19 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 Corrections: B=7, W=7
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 5 4 . . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . O 6 X . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 2 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X 3 X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm19 Move 19 - Prisoners: B=0, W=0 Corrections: B=7, W=7
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 4 5 . . O O X . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . O . X a b O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 2 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X 3 X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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