Jika vs Kirby

Bill Spight · Post by **Bill Spight** » Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:01 am

Jika wrote:My main problem is that once I've read the comments, especially Kirby's reasoning, I don't want to copy the good moves he expects or you are recommending because this feels like cheating.
I also assume I would not learn that much if playing moves I copy - I would learn good play, but not receive input regarding my own play.

So I'll try to find a way to not be influenced by the comments.
Maybe, I think Ed said so, plan my move first, and not change it, but read comments afterwards what move would have been advisable.

That's an excellent idea.

Kirby is a very strong player. As a beginner, you have zero chance of winning this game, even with 9 stones. (But more stones might make for a less interesting game.

) So if both you and Kirby agree, may I suggest that sometimes, at Kirby's suggestion, you be allowed to take a move back? Taking a move back was common practice among amateurs in Japan when I was learning go, and sometimes your opponent would suggest taking a move back. OC, in a serious game it was not done, but it was common in friendly games.

Jika · Post by **Jika** » Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:17 am

Kirby, I use "Hide" because it makes posts shorter. You may read, oc!

@Ed: Depends how far "here" goes.

4,

3?

@Tryss:

I considered miai being good for me to protect my stone -

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but like this, white has a nice row and Kirby gets the corner.

Hm, but to be honest, my other ideas were worse:

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(This always ends as doom for me.)

The following one was my first idea because it looks nice.
But it would not protect my stone.
(Hm, maybe it would be good to separate white, which my actual move does not, on the contrary?)

Now, I'm seeing Bill's polite suggestion (so my move was rubbish!) - I'd play this one - any better, Bill??
Edit: now I'm really confused, seeing both of Bill's posts - so, was my actual move bad or not

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The other thing I considered was "play somewhere more in the corner", because I assume Kirby will go there sooner or later, but this would not help my stone. So, while I would not let Kirby force me to play an answer there, I'd probably sacrifice my stone. (Beginners don't like to do that, right??)

So, moves without Kirby-reaction I considered:

Just because this is closer to the side, supporting my 4-4 stone:

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This looks like one gets power in the corner, but it seems so unconnected to my other stones:

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Sorry there are no move numbers - I'm using Chrome web go board to make ASCII diagrams (not that good at changing the forum diagram directly, it looks so weird), and webgoboard does not support move numbers, it seems?

jlt · Post by **jlt** » Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:58 am

@Jika: so far I think your moves are OK (so you don't need to take a move back), albeit a bit risky.

Bill Spight · Post by **Bill Spight** » Sat Aug 31, 2019 8:22 am

jlt wrote:@Jika: so far I think your moves are OK (so you don't need to take a move back), albeit a bit risky.

Important principles in Go include

(1) try to keep your stones connected
(2) try to disconnect your opponent's stones.

So far your moves achieve goal (2), but you are at risk of not achieving goal (1).

You might want to ask to take a move back if you make a mistake that you think is clearly avoidable, like not seeing an atari. This shouldn't stop you from counting liberties and checking if a group is in atari.

@Jika: I didn't mean to imply that you have made any bad moves.

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Sat Aug 31, 2019 12:16 pm

Jika:

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Sat Aug 31, 2019 4:37 pm

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@Jika - I'll move when I can, but we are doing various things for labor day weekend, so response times may vary.

Today, we went canoeing, went to the fair, played some board games, played video games, went out for ice cream, and played outside... I think the kids had fun

I don't have much to say about this move. I considered two possibilities - the move I played, and this:

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I don't really like the bump, because I feel like I have less options after black plays here:

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I can't say that I feel to be in a good position, or to have gained much, yet. But I'll still try to play in a normal way.

Bill Spight · Post by **Bill Spight** » Sat Aug 31, 2019 5:56 pm

Better late than never.

After some playing around, my sealed move.

Jika · Post by **Jika** » Sun Sep 01, 2019 12:04 am

@Jika - I'll move when I can, but we are doing various things for labor day weekend, so response times may vary.

I'm relieved to hear that - I'm on vacation (general summer vacation) plus broke my big toe, so, much time on my hands... uhm, foot... to sit around, get bored and play around with go.

Because our game started fast (I mean: there was not much time between moves! How do I say that without confusing everyone about "fast"??), I was already concerned I would not have that much time in the future.

@Kirby: now, you made the move I expected (too late to change mine), and I'll have to deal with what I got myself into.

Bill Spight · Post by **Bill Spight** » Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:36 am

Jika wrote:I'm relieved to hear that - I'm on vacation (general summer vacation) plus broke my big toe, so, much time on my hands... uhm, foot... to sit around, get bored and play around with go.

Sorry to hear about your toe.

I hope you are on your feet again soon.

Because our game started fast (I mean: there was not much time between moves! How do I say that without confusing everyone about "fast"??), I was already concerned I would not have that much time in the future.

There is a saying:

Go Proverb wrote:Lose your first 100 games quickly.

OC, it is not meant to be taken literally.

But here are some points. 1) You can learn a lot just by playing. 2) When you are learning, it does not matter much whether you win or lose. 3) It is possible to "get lost in a maze of calculations," as chess author Znosko-Borovsky put it. That's not much fun and not very productive.

Now, Malkovich games are perforce slow paced by comparison with over the board games. But if time is a factor, as you indicate, may I suggest taking at most 1 minute to think about your move. 1 minute, even 2 or 3 minutes per day is not a lot of time to spend on a go game.

OC, you may spend some time on our comments, but you don't have to do that every day, as you yourself have indicated.

Now, if you enjoy cogitating about go moves, go right ahead.

But if not, just take several seconds and make a move. Don't worry about whether it's a mistake or not. Remember, it is better to have played go and lost than never to have played go at all.

Jika · Post by **Jika** » Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:36 am

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Moves I considered:

The one (miai) I had planned:

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But I do not like it any more because (as mentioned above) I feel like abandoning my hoshi handicap stone

This one:

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but when I tried to played on there was a high likelihood of ko, and Kirby would make better use of that, so no need to invite him.

This one I liked too:

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But I figure there would be a higher likelihood of being pushed down from the corner.
Then I could not decide between this move and the one I chose to post, realized that I cannot predict this game anyway, and, well, there you are.

If someone wants to comment, especially which of those two would have been less foolish, I'm looking forward to that!

@Bill:

And now - the sealed comments are to be opened!

Edit: Ooaah - Kirby expected me to do that?! I did not read his hidden text, I promise!!

Bill Spight · Post by **Bill Spight** » Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:58 am

@ Jika:

Another excellent move!

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BTW, there are good ways to produce diagrams from SGF files. See, for instance, https://senseis.xmp.net/tools/sgf2diagram.php

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:53 am

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Jika · Post by **Jika** » Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:01 am

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I had to change the move numbers because it would not accept "10".
Is that normal?

I decided to do the obvious to connect my stones.

I considered:

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to claim territory there and connect with the 10-4 (correct?) stone.
However, the consequences for my group seem bad.

Would someone please, please go back to my last move and comment on my question, why 4-5 is better than 4-6? Thanks!!

Bill Spight · Post by **Bill Spight** » Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:26 am

@ Jika

Another good move.

Look at the diagram code for two ways to handle the move numbers.

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wcm9 $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 X 2 O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:34 am

Hi Jika,

Please see the diagram texts for more samples:

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Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wm11 $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wm21 $$ ----------------------------------------- $$ | O X O X O X O X O X 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 | $$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]

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