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by Bill Spight Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:24 pm
Unhidden after Jika's move.
Kirby wrote: My natural inclination while playing go is to resist my opponent's plan.
My unnatural inclination is to let my opponent carry out his plan and to show that my plan is better.
In this case I answer, however.
$$Wcm1
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm1$$Wcm1
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm1 looks slightly better to me.
@ Jika: Great minds think alike.
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Bill Spight on Sat Sep 14, 2019 12:48 am, edited 1 time in total.
The Adkins Principle:At some point, doesn't thinking have to go on?
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by Jika Sat Sep 14, 2019 12:26 am
$$Wcm21
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm21
I've found no moves that would really be good for me in this skirmish.
But at least this one looks interesting.
I've considered
$$Wcm21
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm21
too, but I'd be in two fights at the same time then, including a ko, which, though typically go, is nothing I have ever played on 9x9. Very confusing.
I'm unhiding Kirby's comments regarding his second to last move (
Kirby's comments only), and it is funny to see how he analyses the game / my possible moves totally differently than I do:
For me it was already a fact that he has all the upper left corner, as far as his picket fence goes around there, and that therefore it is neither possible nor wise to play inside his borders.
Maybe this is 9x9 mentality too (or just the knowledge I won't be able to win anything in close combat there).
Kirby's expected moves in there made no sense to me.
Ferran told me in our first game (not related to the Malkovich!) that people like 3-3 invasions. But I only know that, when invading or playing inside someones territory, I always get captured while frantically trying to make 2 eyes there...
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by EdLee Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:03 am
@ Jika:
I've considered
$$Wm21
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wm21About your variation above:
Hint (a): White needs to control ALL 3 red spots to make (x) a real eye:
$$B
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$B
If you atari with
, did you expect White to connect ?
$$B
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$BHint (b):
White may not connect. Example:
$$B
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$BResult: you help W run out faster:
$$B
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$B
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by Kirby Sun Sep 15, 2019 4:32 pm
$$Wcm21
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm21
It is proper to answer here:
$$Wcm21
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm21
But:
1. I think it's slow for a 9-stone handicap.
2. This is a game for fun, and I want to move onto another part of the board.
I'm also curious to see how Jika will respond.
be immersed
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by Jika Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:16 am
Hi Kirby,
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by Jika Sun Sep 29, 2019 2:51 am
$$Wcm21
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm21
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by Jika Sun Sep 29, 2019 3:05 am
Kirby and others:
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by Kirby Sun Sep 29, 2019 6:35 am
Congratulations on your new opportunity, Jika - maybe it's called a co-op in English?
$$Wcm21
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm21
One thought is to answer Jika. A couple of moves that come to mind are marked below.
$$Wcm21
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm21
Both of those moves have the feeling of trying to separate black. But neither seem that appealing, at least for now:
$$Wcm1
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm1
One option black has is to simply solidify the territory in the corner. This early in the game, that seems to be losing opportunity.
The other move doesn't seem that great either:
$$Wcm1
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm1
So I'll play elsewhere for now.
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by Jika Thu Oct 03, 2019 9:54 am
$$Wcm21
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm21
I think that ignoring Kirby there probably isn't good.
But as said above I don't want to enter another skirmish.
I feel like all my stones are separated and following Kirby would be like abandoning them in a vague state, as if a shepherd is ignoring the wolf who has surrounded the sheep and is waiting patiently to kill them later (what will be the case, of course).
I considered
$$Wcm21
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm21
but found it very slow when Kirby is claiming such a large chunk of the board.
$$Wcm21
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm21
might block Kirby's jumping forward merrily.
But there I'd be reacting, reacting.
I'm feeling I'm not making good use of the handicap stones, but well...
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by Bill Spight Thu Oct 03, 2019 11:33 am
The Adkins Principle:At some point, doesn't thinking have to go on?
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by Kirby Thu Oct 03, 2019 1:53 pm
I like it - feels like we’re playing poker
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by Kirby Fri Oct 04, 2019 10:53 am
$$Wcm21
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm21
be immersed
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by Jika Fri Oct 04, 2019 11:15 am
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by Jika Fri Oct 04, 2019 11:34 am
$$Wcm21
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm21
Coming back to my alternative move I mentioned in post #99.
Assuming I could tell any of Kirby's possible replies in advance, my playing in an editor seemed to show a bit of pressure on white there.
So, playing against myself in my editor I'd rather be black than white.
I'm expecting Kirby's move to be very different from what I came up with.
Oh, btw, yesterday I also considered
$$Wcm21
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm21
but disliked it. It looks like I'd end up with two separate small groups and a ko. I seem to have a case of ko angst.
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by Bill Spight Fri Oct 04, 2019 12:03 pm
You rejected this move earlier. Nothing has changed to make it a better move now.
The Adkins Principle:At some point, doesn't thinking have to go on?
looks slightly better to me.
, did you expect White to connect ?
You rejected this move earlier. Nothing has changed to make it a better move now.