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Gomoto · Post by **Gomoto** » Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:53 pm

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Post by **Joaz Banbeck** » Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:02 pm

Gomoto · Post by **Gomoto** » Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:05 pm

Anything worth studying. This is indeed.

Let the stones speak to you. Do you know the purpose of each move?.

If you dont like this approach you might search for this position ...

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:35 pm

Joaz Banbeck wrote:

Gomoto wrote:Let the stones speak to you. Do you know the purpose of each move?.

Let the emoji speak to you. What is its purpose?

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:34 pm

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Gomoto · Post by **Gomoto** » Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:30 am

It is called study GROUP for a reason. Those kids today dont want do their homework anymore.

Both analyzing the moves and searching the position in pro games thereafter felt rather interesting to me. I will post my variations and search results later, but first let us give some time to the people who want to discover their own.

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:49 am

it's just that you gave no context for this post. you showed a diagram of a go board... ok.

if you want folks to analyze on their own, it'd still be informative to give context (e.g. "let's study this position")

Gomoto · Post by **Gomoto** » Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:27 am

These are ALL pro games with this position up until now (in my database at least). Perhaps you recognize a pattern?

Wang Yuanjun 9p - Shin Minjun 9p, B+Resign (Komi 6.5)
6th Okage Cup World New Star Competition, round 1, 2019-10-14

Fan Yunruo 8d - Sin Min-chun 9d, B+Resign (Komi 3.75)
2019 China Weiqi League, Division A, Round 14, 2019-08-24

Pak Yeong-hun 9d - Tuo Jiaxi 9d, B+1.75 (Komi 3.75)
2019 World Go Summit Invitational, Quarter-final, 2019-08-14

Pak Cheong-hwan 9d - Sin Chin-seo 9d, W+Resign (Komi 6.5)
1st Baduk TV Cup, Final, Game 1, 2019-08-06

Zhao Yifei 3p - Cho Hyeyeon 9p, B+7.5 (Komi 7.5)
7th Chinese Women's League A, round 8, 2019-07-29

Kobayashi Satoru 9d - Tsuruyama Atsushi 7d, B+Resign (Komi 6.5)
44th Kisei, B1 League, 2019-04-25

Pak Cheong-hwan 9d - Kang Yu-t'aek 8d, W+Resign (Komi 6.5)
2nd Yongseong, Round 1, 2019-04-24

Gao Xing 4p - Zhou Hongyu 4p, W+Resign (Komi 7.5)
year 2018 Chinese Individual Championship (Female), round 3, 2018-09-17

Gomoto · Post by **Gomoto** » Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:31 am

I never liked explaining a piece of art as well

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:20 am

Perhaps you recognize a pattern?

Often, humans tend to have an opposite problem.

Bki · Post by **Bki** » Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:05 am

EdLee wrote:
Perhaps you recognize a pattern?
Often, humans tend to have an opposite problem.
In no particular order...

all dates seem to be after alphago ;

B won 5 out of 8 (sampling size too small? ) ;

countries (unlikely any correlation) ;

unknown ages (unlikely any correlation) ;

genders (unlikely any correlation) ;

day of the week (unlikely any correlation) ;

My database is not up to date, but there appears to be no human game with this fuseki before this year. But it did appears in one of Alphago-zero selfplay game (it's not the full strength alphago zero but it's still well into superhuman territory by this point).

Gomoto · Post by **Gomoto** » Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:05 am

While I am very well aware that it is quite possibly not connected, I still think the fact, that this position is played by top dog pros almost exclusivly is remarkable and at least funny in any case.

Gomoto · Post by **Gomoto** » Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:07 am

black to play:

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Gomoto · Post by **Gomoto** » Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:11 am

Black could just play the calm move at b. But what if black does want to play somewhere else? What is the continuation after the double approach of white b?

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Gomoto · Post by **Gomoto** » Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:16 am

If there is no stone at a, black has got this option

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But with a black stone at a, it can also play like this:

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