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Offline Shaddy
 Post subject: Re: 66. Shaddy(1d) vs. Chew Terr(5k)
Post #121 Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 8:39 am 
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$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . O O . O . . X O O O O X O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O X , O X O X O X X X O |
$$ | . . X W . . O X X X X X X X O X O O . |
$$ | . . X O X O . O X . O . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline Chew Terr
 Post subject: Re: 66. Shaddy(1d) vs. Chew Terr(5k)
Post #122 Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 8:56 am 
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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . B O O . O . . X O O O O X O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O X , O X O X O X X X O |
$$ | . . X O . . O X X X X X X X O X O O . |
$$ | . . X O X O . O X . O . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Can't tell for sure if it's alive or not, so I may as well try.

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Offline Marcus
 Post subject: Re: 66. Shaddy(1d) vs. Chew Terr(5k)
Post #123 Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 9:08 am 
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Chew Terr wrote:
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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X X X . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . B O O . O . . X O O O O X O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O X , O X O X O X X X O |
$$ | . . X O . . O X X X X X X X O X O O . |
$$ | . . X O X O . O X . O . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Can't tell for sure if it's alive or not, so I may as well try.


Isn't this just L+1? White should come out with sente, therefor it's dead, right?

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[go]$$Wc
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$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . X O . O X . . |
$$ | . 1 . . . . . . X X X . X O O O O X . |
$$ | 3 B O O . O . . X O O O O X O O X X . |
$$ | . 2 X O . X O O X , O X O X O X X X O |
$$ | . . X O . . O X X X X X X X O X O O . |
$$ | . . X O X O . O X . O . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline prokofiev
 Post subject: Re: 66. Shaddy(1d) vs. Chew Terr(5k)
Post #124 Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 9:31 am 
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Marcus:
2 at 3 makes it a straight J Group, which, neglecting any outside funny business, is ko: http://senseis.xmp.net/?JGroup
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Offline daniel_the_smith
 Post subject: Re: 66. Shaddy(1d) vs. Chew Terr(5k)
Post #125 Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 9:32 am 
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Black can descend to make the straight J group, so black can at least make ko. EDIT: dangit, ninja'd

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Offline Shaddy
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Post #126 Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 11:42 am 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . X O . O X . . |
$$ | . W . . . . . . X X X . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . X O O . O . . X O O O O X O O X X . |
$$ | . . X O . X O O X , O X O X O X X X O |
$$ | . . X O . . O X X X X X X X O X O O . |
$$ | . . X O X O . O X . O . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Offline Chew Terr
 Post subject: Re: 66. Shaddy(1d) vs. Chew Terr(5k)
Post #127 Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 11:51 am 
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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . X O . O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . X X X . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . X O O . O . . X O O O O X O O X X . |
$$ | B . X O . X O O X , O X O X O X X X O |
$$ | . . X O . . O X X X X X X X O X O O . |
$$ | . . X O X O . O X . O . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


And now, for ko. W has a few forcing moves on the right side that make good ko threats. While I actually think that he has more ko threats, I'm not certain of it, and, worst comes to worst, could at least get something out of ko. Part of me does say to leave here and take sente. If I could better count the threats, I feel like I could more easily decide if I should fight this or not.

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Offline Shaddy
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Post #128 Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 11:58 am 
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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . X O . O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . X X X . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . X O O . O . . X O O O O X O O X X . |
$$ | X . X O . X O O X , O X O X O X X X O |
$$ | . . X O . . O X X X X X X X O X O O . |
$$ | . . X O X O . O X . O . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . . W . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This group is known as the large pig's mouth group in chinese, and if i have learned a single thing in all the time i've played go, it's that this group is dead if w is to play.
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Offline Chew Terr
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Post #129 Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 12:04 pm 
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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . X O . O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . X X X . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . X O O . O . . X O O O O X O O X X . |
$$ | X . X O . X O O X , O X O X O X X X O |
$$ | . . X O . . O X X X X X X X O X O O . |
$$ | . . X O X O . O X . O . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . B O . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm unfamiliar with that name. Mind playing it out with me to show me how it dies?

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Offline prokofiev
 Post subject: Re: 66. Shaddy(1d) vs. Chew Terr(5k)
Post #130 Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 12:08 pm 
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On the status of this group:
As in the Sensei's link above for J Group, it still may be ko due to the weakness of the B6 stone.

Edit: Or does the clamp work here for life? I'm not sure how far black gets to crawl.
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Offline Shaddy
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Post #131 Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 12:21 pm 
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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . X O . O X . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . X X X . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . X O O . O . . X O O O O X O O X X . |
$$ | X . X O . X O O X , O X O X O X X X O |
$$ | . . X O . . O X X X X X X X O X O O . |
$$ | W . X O X O . O X . O . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Certainly.
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Offline Chew Terr
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Post #132 Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 12:28 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . X O . O X . . |
$$ | B O . . . . . . X X X . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . X O O . O . . X O O O O X O O X X . |
$$ | X . X O . X O O X , O X O X O X X X O |
$$ | . . X O . . O X X X X X X X O X O O . |
$$ | O . X O X O . O X . O . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Cool.

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Offline Shaddy
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Post #133 Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 12:33 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . X O . O X . . |
$$ | X O . . . . . . X X X . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . X O O . O . . X O O O O X O O X X . |
$$ | X . X O . X O O X , O X O X O X X X O |
$$ | . W X O . . O X X X X X X X O X O O . |
$$ | O . X O X O . O X . O . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #134 Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 12:39 pm 
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Wow, someone really wants a big kill.

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Offline Chew Terr
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Post #135 Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 12:53 pm 
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . X O . O X . . |
$$ | X O . . . . . . X X X . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . X O O . O . . X O O O O X O O X X . |
$$ | X . X O . X O O X , O X O X O X X X O |
$$ | . O X O . . O X X X X X X X O X O O . |
$$ | O B X O X O . O X . O . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I thought about taking B7 instead, but I saw no reason not to take this first..
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If you A3, I B7. If you A7 or B7, I A3.

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Offline daniel_the_smith
 Post subject: Re: 66. Shaddy(1d) vs. Chew Terr(5k)
Post #136 Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 1:02 pm 
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Black at B7 would have been much better, it gets out in sente. Then when black played this move, it wouldn't be ko like it is now. EDIT: wait, I missed some stuff. Ignore me.

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Post #137 Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 1:04 pm 
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daniel_the_smith wrote:
Black at B7 would have been much better, it gets out in sente. Then when black played this move, it wouldn't be ko like it is now. EDIT: wait, I missed some stuff. Ignore me.


Oh, was I mistaken? I thought with this, I either get out or live, depending on which of us takes A3? Am I missing something?

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Post #138 Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 1:06 pm 
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O . . . . X O . O X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X X X . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . X O O . O . . X O O O O X O O X X . |
$$ | X . X O . X O O X , O X O X O X X X O |
$$ | O O X O . . O X X X X X X X O X O O . |
$$ | O X X O X O . O X . O . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Post #139 Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 1:20 pm 
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I was misreading all over the place. Blargh.

Shaddy, some numbers or something might be nice when you put down multiple moves... ;)

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Post #140 Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 1:23 pm 
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . B . O . . . X . O . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . O X O X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . O . . . . X O . O X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X X X . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . X O O . O . . X O O O O X O O X X . |
$$ | X . X O . X O O X , O X O X O X X X O |
$$ | O O X O . . O X X X X X X X O X O O . |
$$ | O X X O X O . O X . O . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Okay, so I have two options. One is to try to run, and the other is to try to make an eye on the edge. There's no where to run, since I'm mostly surrounded. I expect this clamp, which seems to lead to a different ko that I HOPE can get me life... If this is ko for life, then the ko has risen in value as we've played more stones. That means, my partner and I are both more likely to ignore smallish ko threats to win this one. If I live here without giving up too much somehow, I will be ahead. However, my opponent will probably get fair compensation.

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . B . O . . . X . O . . . . . O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 3 W 1 . . . . . . O . . O X O X X . . |
$$ | . X 2 . . . . O . . . . X O . O X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . X X X . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . X O O . O . . X O O O O X O O X X . |
$$ | X . X O . X O O X , O X O X O X X X O |
$$ | O O X O . . O X X X X X X X O X O O . |
$$ | O X X O X O . O X . O . X O O O O X . |
$$ | . X O . . . . . . . . X . X . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


On an unrelated note, thank you all for following and commenting on this game. The assorted remarks have helped a lot. This game is instructive, and very good reading practice for someone who thinks he's not good at reading, and you guys are helping me to correct bad paths, as well as showing me other things I need to learn. Thanks again!

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