See https://www.lifein19x19.com/viewtopic.p ... 67#p257667jumapari wrote:In his book Richard Hunter speaks about "weak eyes". [...]
Is there any theory about this?
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Thank you! Next time I'll read your comments with more attentionRobertJasiek wrote:See https://www.lifein19x19.com/viewtopic.p ... 67#p257667jumapari wrote:In his book Richard Hunter speaks about "weak eyes". [...]
Is there any theory about this?
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Re: About Capturing Races
Reading often implies not only the iteration of possible move candidates, but also pruning out branches where the end state is already known. Everybody does this.
One example that comes to mind is a heuristic I heard that says, "in life and death problems, if one side captures 3 stones, they get an eye for that capture". I think this isn't 100% true, but it's true very often. So it means that while I'm doing life and death problems, except for those exceptional cases, I can treat the capture of >= 3 stones as an eye - and I don't have to read out the actual formation of an eye. It speeds things up a little bit, and I can come to recognize exceptions to this rule and revisit as necessary.
Anyway, rules like this help with pruning, which is something that good readers do all of the time - either explicitly or by experience.
But it's important to understand the nuances of things so that when those pruning heuristics aren't applicable, you don't accidentally apply them.
One example that comes to mind is a heuristic I heard that says, "in life and death problems, if one side captures 3 stones, they get an eye for that capture". I think this isn't 100% true, but it's true very often. So it means that while I'm doing life and death problems, except for those exceptional cases, I can treat the capture of >= 3 stones as an eye - and I don't have to read out the actual formation of an eye. It speeds things up a little bit, and I can come to recognize exceptions to this rule and revisit as necessary.
Anyway, rules like this help with pruning, which is something that good readers do all of the time - either explicitly or by experience.
But it's important to understand the nuances of things so that when those pruning heuristics aren't applicable, you don't accidentally apply them.
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Depends on what you mean by theory.jumapari wrote:In his book Richard Hunter speaks about "weak eyes". Eyes that have less liberties as it seems, but there is not so much explanation about this. As far as I can see those eyes are mainly in the corner, where its most easy for the attacker of the eye to create a eye within the eye.
Is there any theory about this?
Thanks!
BTW, there are eyes that have fewer liberties than they appear to have that are not weak eyes. They are called big eyes. That's not exactly what Hunter said. There is a formula for counting the liberties of big eyes. But there are some big eyes where the formula is wrong. It gives too many liberties. The reason, as Hunter indicates, is that the opponent may make an eye inside the big eye or threaten to do so. Even if correct, that implicit theory is not much help without some of the explicit theory as a guide.
Fortunately, Sensei's Library provides some of the explicit theory on this page. https://senseis.xmp.net/?BigEyesCanBeSmallInTheCorner
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One result of capturing three connected stones.Kirby wrote:Reading often implies not only the iteration of possible move candidates, but also pruning out branches where the end state is already known. Everybody does this.
One example that comes to mind is a heuristic I heard that says, "in life and death problems, if one side captures 3 stones, they get an eye for that capture". I think this isn't 100% true, but it's true very often.
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Yeah, this kind of nuance shows that the heuristic doesn't always work. It helps with pruning in many cases, but you need to know when it doesn't.
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Thanks a lot! Exactly that what I was looking for!Bill Spight wrote:
Fortunately, Sensei's Library provides some of the explicit theory on this page. https://senseis.xmp.net/?BigEyesCanBeSmallInTheCorner