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by unkx80 Mon Jun 07, 2010 11:20 am
Let me resurrect this long forgotten game...
$$Bc Prisoners - B:0 W:0
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by k43r Mon Jun 07, 2010 11:57 am
$$Bc Prisoners - B:0 W:0
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by freegame Mon Jun 07, 2010 1:57 pm
I guess I'll play one for black.
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preventing the double atari seems like the only option for black.
I selected the solid connection because this avoids bad aji.
Q10 is also in a nice spot giving black quite some solid points on the right.
I did not play at a in the diagram below because playing at a leaves cutting-points
that for example make the marked white (endgame) move dangerous for black.
and it would also leaves some nasty aji behind.
$$Bc Prisoners - B:0 W:0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bc Prisoners - B:0 W:0next white needs to capture the cutting stone an N15 to avoid giving black huge outside thickness and getting sealed in.
so black gets to keep sente as well, which is nice.
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by padic Mon Jun 07, 2010 4:32 pm
Jumping in on Team White..
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by freegame Fri Jun 11, 2010 3:29 pm
Lets get this game going again.
$$Bc Prisoners - B:0 W:0
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by Zwergesel Fri Jun 11, 2010 4:22 pm
$$Wc Prisoners - B:0 W:0
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A pincer is not an option, so I considered the low extension, the high extension and the large low extension. The large low extension is too loose and does not work best with the left side!
For the high extension I was afraid that black might play
which takes away the big side that we have.
Although if black doesn't play there, 'a' would be the perfect spot for white.
$$Wc Prisoners - B:0 W:0
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wc Prisoners - B:0 W:0This leaves us with the low extension. If black plays
we can either ignore it or play
to cause complications. If he plays elsewhere
is a big corner for us which also aims at
too.
$$Wc Prisoners - B:0 W:0
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by Jonas Mon Jun 21, 2010 12:58 pm
Hmmmm I guess team black need reinforcements~ I'm in
$$Wc Prisoners - B:0 W:0
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I think Black should play like this:
$$Wc Prisoners - B:0 W:0
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by Dusk Eagle Mon Jun 21, 2010 7:24 pm
$$Wc Prisoners - B:0 W:0
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We don't know who we are; we don't know where we are.
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by Joaz Banbeck Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:49 pm
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There is a proverb somethng like "A move on the border of two moyos counts double"
We have a big territory building up on the right side, white has one starting on the bottom. Playing at the border between them accomplishes two things: it surrounds our territory, and it pushes down / invades theirs. One is defensive, one is offensive, thus it is said to be worth double.
Compare the above position with the one below.
$$Wc Prisoners - B:0 W:0
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BTW, it is sente. It threatens this reduction:
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by Joaz Banbeck Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:35 pm
Warning to white:
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by Kirby Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:59 pm
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be immersed
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by Joaz Banbeck Fri Jul 24, 2020 4:20 pm
After over a year of contemplation, think that the obvious move is indeed the best move.
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which takes away the big side that we have.
to cause complications. If he plays elsewhere 
is a big corner for us which also aims at 
