Copying AI moves online

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Re: Copying AI moves online

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Uberdude wrote:Servers could add a flag to user profile "I use a bot" and allow people to self declare. I would do so for the LeelaZero7 account I used on Fox a while back to openly and without deceit play as a bot. Fox actually has a flag for AI users and that got automatically applied to my account. But how many of the people who use a bot now without admitting it would tick that flag, allowing people like me to avoid them? I'm guessing not many.
Not that I have a solution, but a thought just crossed my mind: an AI welcome game room, where any human is allowed to play with AI assistance, with or without an AI flag. OC, the games would not be rated.

But my main thought is this. We do not understand the problem yet. Why do people secretly use bots? The thrill of victory? By any means necessary? The thrill of deception? The feeling of power? Insecurity? Immaturity? The anxiety of playing online? Anonymity itself? To solve a problem, it helps to understand it.

I think that John Fairbairn has a point. Changing the online playing environment could well reduce the incidence of secret AI usage more than a punitive approach.
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Re: Copying AI moves online

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A motivation for secretly using AI is to get stronger human opponents as free human teachers.
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Re: Copying AI moves online

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I think it's just all about creating awareness, reminding and collecting data,
all of course with the conscent of the user.

We need more awareness about the fact that cheating can be a crime. (AGA ? EGF ? KABA ?)

People need to be constantly reminded, that SGF files are stored, and can reveal their crimes in future.

Maybe organizers should ask their participants to identify with ID-cards, pictures, ...
and permission to save their data. - Which allows us to analyze their behavior in the future.

Only if we can predict human play, we could potentially detect non-human play. So, in the long run, we could invest in AI to predict human play.
Just the idea that it could become reality some day, should be enough to stop intelligent people from cheating right now.
They just need to be reminded about it now and then.

I think it's in the full interest of Go servers to scare away these cheaters.
They should ask their users for approval to monitor their GPU/CPU usage.
And remind them about it before tournament games.
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