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Re: My hand-crafted KataGo (+ AlphaGo Teach) self-play games

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Game 50 (7 komi, NZ rules) sees black getting two large corners plus two living center groups. Of course it's a tie. Our tally currently stands at 10 black wins, 18 ties and 22 white wins. https://online-go.com/review/658057
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[go]$$Bc Game 46 continued at a instead of P17. Game 94 will continue at b.
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Re: My hand-crafted KataGo (+ AlphaGo Teach) self-play games

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Game 51 (7 komi, NZ rules) focuses mostly around complicated center fighting. https://online-go.com/review/664786
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[go]$$Wc Game 44 continued at a instead of Q11. Next, I'll split off games at b and c.
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Re: My hand-crafted KataGo (+ AlphaGo Teach) self-play games

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Maharani wrote:Game 51 (7 komi, NZ rules) focuses mostly around complicated center fighting. https://online-go.com/review/664786
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[go]$$Wc Game 44 continued at a instead of Q11. Next, I'll split off games at b and c.
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.sgf:

Antti Törmänen, JPN 1p has reviewed this game! https://www.nordicgodojo.eu/post/848/ka ... selfplay-2

I've updated the .sgf above, with some additional comments by Clydevil ~2d.
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Re: My hand-crafted KataGo (+ AlphaGo Teach) self-play games

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Game 52 (7 komi, NZ rules) was another tie: https://online-go.com/review/670516
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[go]$$Bc Game 62 will continue at a instead of H4.
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Game 53 (7 komi, NZ rules) was our first game with a taisha variation (won by white): https://online-go.com/review/676958
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[go]$$Bc Game 53 and nine other games continue at P4. Game 121 will continue at a instead.
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Game 54 (7 komi, NZ rules) was another tie, bringing our current tally to 10 black wins, 21 ties and 23 white wins: https://online-go.com/review/680593
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[go]$$Wc Game 54 and eight other games continue at D17. Game 125 will continue at a instead.
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Game 55 (7 komi, NZ rules) was another absolutely riveting game, with giant territories on both sides, which as a human, I love to see: https://online-go.com/demo/view/688006
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[go]$$Bc The opening. Try to guess final board ownership.
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Re: My hand-crafted KataGo (+ AlphaGo Teach) self-play games

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Maharani wrote:In game 49 (7 komi, NZ rules) black develops a large right side in exchange for its lower-right corner. Even more trading occurs later on. You know the gist by now - another beautifully balanced tie. https://online-go.com/demo/view/651112
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[go]$$Wc Game 45 continued at a instead of R16.
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.sgf:

Anton Christenson, EGF 3d did a 67-minute YouTube review of this game! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sfv-zgFAIAo

I’ve added all of his (commented) variations, plus more KataGo variations, to the OGS review as well.

I've also added more high-playout KataGo variations to the game reviewed by Antti Törmänen, JPN 1p.
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Can white save its center dragon in game 56 (7 komi, NZ rules) to secure a win? https://online-go.com/review/696161
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[go]$$Wc Game 56 and six other games continue at Q3. Nine games will continue at a instead, and one game at b.
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Game 57 (7 komi, NZ rules) ended up as a draw where everything lived pretty much how you'd have expected around move 150, but don't let that fool you. For a while, some insane trades were on the table, as reflected by the score chart... https://online-go.com/review/704031

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[go]$$Bc Games 56, 57, 61, 95 and 96 continue at D3. Games 101 and 105 will continue at a instead.
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Game 58 (7 komi, NZ rules) in which black develops a huge center moyo is beautiful IMO. Notable moves: 57 - So cool. :) 182 - After playing this move, KataGo realized that white was winning by 2 points. Black casually wastes some ko threats and ends up losing by 4 points. https://online-go.com/review/709402
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[go]$$Bc Games 58, 59, 60, 102, 104 and 116 continue at Q4. Games 117, 118 and 126 will continue at a instead.
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.sgf:



In game 59 (7 komi, NZ rules), the lower-right looks almost like a "joseki" in that moves 13 - 43 are almost throughout the same moves favoured by the policy network. On the board, it looks intricately balanced too. So cool. M8 seems to finish the position. https://online-go.com/demo/view/717111
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[go]$$Wc Games 58, 59 and 60 continue at O16. Games 102, 104 and 116 will continue at a instead.
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Re: My hand-crafted KataGo (+ AlphaGo Teach) self-play games

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Black loses game 60 (7 komi, NZ rules) despite capturing a large white group by move 133. https://online-go.com/review/722242
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[go]$$Bc Games 58 and 60 continue at Q16. Game 59 continued at a instead.
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Game 61 (7 komi, NZ rules) starts out with a complex bottom-right fight that eventually spills into the center. https://online-go.com/review/725546
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[go]$$Wc Games 57 and 61 continue at Q7. Game 56 continued at a instead. Games 95 and 96 will continue at c and d, respectively.
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The opening of game 62 (7 komi, NZ rules) looks so alien and yet beautifully balanced. By move 112, black has at least a 20-plus-points lead in solid territory (diagram below by Clydevil, ~2d). Move 120 is a casual 7th-line shoulder hit. At move 186, white is about 16 points ahead. I think around move 145 is where black starts wasting ko threats. https://online-go.com/demo/view/730096

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[go]$$Wc The opening. White to play.
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kg_7_komi_game_61.sgf
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Re: My hand-crafted KataGo (+ AlphaGo Teach) self-play games

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Maharani wrote:Game 55 (7 komi, NZ rules) was another absolutely riveting game, with giant territories on both sides, which as a human, I love to see: https://online-go.com/demo/view/688006
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[go]$$Bc The opening. Try to guess final board ownership.
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Anton Christenson, EGF 3d did a 45-minute YouTube review of this game! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqGcwLnngGY

I’ve added all of his (commented) variations, plus more KataGo variations, to the OGS review as well.
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Re: My hand-crafted KataGo (+ AlphaGo Teach) self-play games

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Game 63 (7 komi, NZ rules) was a ridiculously complicated game that ended up with one of the most massive trades I've ever seen. https://online-go.com/review/734212
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[go]$$Bc Game 63 and seven other games continue at D15. Game 53 continued at a instead.
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Re: My hand-crafted KataGo (+ AlphaGo Teach) self-play games

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In game 64 (7 komi, NZ rules), black takes four corners. To this 13k human, throughout the game it looks like white can't possibly have enough, but of course it's a super-close game as always. By move 233, it's clear that black is ahead by two points. Move 242 is when white starts wasting ko threats. Eventually black wins by 14 or 16 points. https://online-go.com/demo/view/738197

Game 64 will be the last 19 x 19 game I've played for a while. Our tally at this point is 11 black wins, 24 draws and 29 white wins.
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[go]$$Bc Game 64 and four other games continue at P13. Games 81, 82 and 83 instead continue at a, b and c, respectively.
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In game 65 (7 komi, NZ rules), white builds a single ginormous territory and loses by two points. https://online-go.com/review/743465
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[go]$$Bc Game 64 continued at a instead of O5.
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Game 66 (NZ rules, 7 komi) is all about complicated mid-game fighting. https://online-go.com/review/746066
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[go]$$Wc Game 54 continued at a instead of N8. Game 63 continued at b. Games 64 and 65 both continued at c.
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Game 67 (NZ rules, 7 komi) looks "ordered" and almost human to me for the first 89 moves. Move 90 is when things start to get fancy. https://online-go.com/review/750467
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[go]$$Wc Game 47 continued at a instead of D5.
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Re: My hand-crafted KataGo (+ AlphaGo Teach) self-play games

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Game 68 (7 komi, NZ rules) features two kos fought around 1-1 points. The one in the lower left looks downright bizarre to this 10kyu. How cool is 202. C1?! :) https://online-go.com/review/753044
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[go]$$Wc Game 70 also continues at F17. At least five games will continue at a and at least one game at b instead.
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Re: My hand-crafted KataGo (+ AlphaGo Teach) self-play games

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In game 69 (7 komi, NZ rules), black builds a giant center moyo into which white jumps at move 34. By move 156, white is ahead by 2 points. Afterwards, black wastes ko threats and loses by at least 8 points. https://online-go.com/review/757663
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[go]$$Bc The opening.
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