Tsumegos from real games

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Re: Tsumegos from real games

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jlt wrote:Maybe try another move for :w1: ?
I found another move but the result seems to be the same.
First black's bad defense
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[go]$$Wc Black's bad defense
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . O X . X X O . 5 . . . . . O . O . |
$$ | . O . O X . X O . X 3 . X . O . O X . |
$$ | . . O . O X X O O X 1 2 . X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O , O O O . O , 4 X . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O O O O X X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . O O X O . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O O . O O . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X X O O X O O O O . X . . |
$$ | . . X . O X O X . . X X X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O O O O O X X X . X O . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . O X X X . X . . X O . . . O O . |
$$ | . X X O X . . . X X O O X . O O . O . |
$$ | . O X . . X . X O . O X X . X X O O . |
$$ | . O X X O O X X . O . O O X . . X O X |
$$ | . . O X . . X O . O O X . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . X X O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
but it's seki from here
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[go]$$Wc Seki from here
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . O X . X X O . . . . . . . O . O . |
$$ | . O . O X . X O . X . . X 6 O . O X . |
$$ | . . O . O X X O O X 1 3 5 X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O , O O O . O 4 2 X . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O O O O X X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . O O X O . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O O . O O . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X X O O X O O O O . X . . |
$$ | . . X . O X O X . . X X X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O O O O O X X X . X O . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . O X X X . X . . X O . . . O O . |
$$ | . X X O X . . . X X O O X . O O . O . |
$$ | . O X . . X . X O . O X X . X X O O . |
$$ | . O X X O O X X . O . O O X . . X O X |
$$ | . . O X . . X O . O O X . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . X X O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
For example
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[go]$$Wcm7
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . O X . X X O . 3 4 . 2 1 . O . O . |
$$ | . O . O X . X O . X . 5 X X O . O X . |
$$ | . . O . O X X O O X O O O X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O , O O O . O X X X . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O O O O X X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . O O X O . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O O . O O . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X X O O X O O O O . X . . |
$$ | . . X . O X O X . . X X X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O O O O O X X X . X O . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . O X X X . X . . X O . . . O O . |
$$ | . X X O X . . . X X O O X . O O . O . |
$$ | . O X . . X . X O . O X X . X X O O . |
$$ | . O X X O O X X . O . O O X . . X O X |
$$ | . . O X . . X O . O O X . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . X X O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Maybe it's all wrong because my head seems to get stuck when I work out that big eye thing :study:
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Re: Tsumegos from real games

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I think White can get a ko with the following :w1:
L16
In more detail:
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[go]$$Wc White to play
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . O X . X X O . . . . . . . O . O . |
$$ | . O . O X . X O . X . . X . O . O X . |
$$ | . . O . O X X O O X 2 3 4 X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O , O O O . O , 1 X . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O O O O X X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . O O X O . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O O . O O . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X X O O X O O O O . X . . |
$$ | . . X . O X O X . . X X X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O O O O O X X X . X O . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . O X X X . X . . X O . . . O O . |
$$ | . X X O X . . . X X O O X . O O . O . |
$$ | . O X . . X . X O . O X X . X X O O . |
$$ | . O X X O O X X . O . O O X . . X O X |
$$ | . . O X . . X O . O O X . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . X X O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
This variation kills without condition:
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[go]$$Wc White to play
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . O X . X X O . 5 . . . . . O . O . |
$$ | . O . O X . X O . X 3 . X . O . O X . |
$$ | . . O . O X X O O X 4 2 . X O O X . . |
$$ | . . O , O O O . O , 1 X . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . O O O O X X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . O O X O . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . X O O . O O . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X X O O X O O O O . X . . |
$$ | . . X . O X O X . . X X X X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O O O O O X X X . X O . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . O X X X . X . . X O . . . O O . |
$$ | . X X O X . . . X X O O X . O O . O . |
$$ | . O X . . X . X O . O X X . X X O O . |
$$ | . O X X O O X X . O . O O X . . X O X |
$$ | . . O X . . X O . O O X . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . X X O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: Tsumegos from real games

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Problem #30, Black to play. What is Black's next move, and what is the status of the upper left corner?

Nothing fancy, just something rather elementary that I didn't realize before.
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[go]$$Bc Black to play
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X X X X . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | O O X O O X O O . . . . . O X O X X . |
$$ | X . O O O O X . . O . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . O O . X O X . X . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O X . . O . O . X . X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . O O X X X O . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . . X X X X O . X X . X X X O . X . |
$$ | . X X X . X O O . O . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . O . O O X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O O O X X X O X X O . O . . . |[/go]
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Re: Tsumegos from real games

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It doesn't look elementary to me at all.
I thought maybe seki.
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[go]$$Bc Black to play
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . 4 . 5 . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X X X X 2 . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | O O X O O X O O . . . . . O X O X X . |
$$ | X . O O O O X . . O . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | 6 O O . X O X . X . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | 1 O X X . O X . . O . O . X . X X . . |
$$ | 7 X . . . O O X X X O . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . . X X X X O . X X . X X X O . X . |
$$ | . X X X . X O O . O . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . O . O O X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O O O X X X O X X O . O . . . |[/go]
There is the annoying hane but it doesn't appear to work.
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[go]$$Bc Black to play
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X X X X 1 . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | O O X O O X O O 3 . . . . O X O X X . |
$$ | X . O O O O X . . O . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | 0 O O . X O X . X . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | 9 O X X . O X . . O . O . X . X X . . |
$$ | 2 X 5 . 6 O O X X X O . . . O . O X . |
$$ | 8 4 . X X X X O . X X . X X X O . X . |
$$ | 7 X X X . X O O . O . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . O . O O X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O O O X X X O X X O . O . . . |[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm11 Black to play
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X X X X X . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | O O X O O X O O X . . . . O X O X X . |
$$ | X . O O O O X . . O . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | O O O . X O X . X . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | 2 O X X . O X . . O . O . X . X X . . |
$$ | O X X . O O O X X X O . . . O . O X . |
$$ | O O 1 X X X X O . X X . X X X O . X . |
$$ | X X X X . X O O . O . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . O . O O X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O O O X X X O X X O . O . . . |[/go]
Then maybe there are many ways to get a seki.

I thought the following didn't work...
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[go]$$Bc Black to play
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X X X X . . . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | O O X O O X O O 1 . . . . O X O X X . |
$$ | X . O O O O X 3 2 O . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . O O . X O X . X . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O X 4 . O . O . X . X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . O O X X X O . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . . X X X X O . X X . X X X O . X . |
$$ | . X X X . X O O . O . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . O . O O X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O O O X X X O X X O . O . . . |[/go]
but it is not clear that white doesn't have a shortage of liberties here.
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[go]$$Bc Black to play
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X X X X . 3 . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | O O X O O X O O 1 . . . . O X O X X . |
$$ | X . O O O O X . 2 O . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . O O . X O X . X . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O X 4 . O . O . X . X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . O O X X X O . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . . X X X X O . X X . X X X O . X . |
$$ | . X X X . X O O . O . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . O . O O X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O O O X X X O X X O . O . . . |[/go]
or
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[go]$$Bc Black to play
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 8 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X X X X . 4 2 5 6 . . . O O O . . |
$$ | O O X O O X O O 1 7 . . . O X O X X . |
$$ | X . O O O O X . 3 O . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . O O . X O X . X . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O X . . O . O . X . X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . O O X X X O . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . . X X X X O . X X . X X X O . X . |
$$ | . X X X . X O O . O . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . O . O O X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O O O X X X O X X O . O . . . |[/go]
Maybe seki is acceptable? :-?
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Re: Tsumegos from real games

Post by jlt »

Katago sees this:
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . 3 . 6 . 5 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X X X X 1 2 . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | O O X O O X O O . . . . . O X O X X . |
$$ | X . O O O O X . . O . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . O O . X O X . X . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O X . . O . O . X . X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . O O X X X O . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . . X X X X O . X X . X X X O . X . |
$$ | . X X X . X O O . O . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . O . O O X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O O O X X X O X X O . O . . . |[/go]
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . O . X . 7 a . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X X X X X O b . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | O O X O O X O O . . . . . O X O X X . |
$$ | X . O O O O X . . O . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . O O . X O X . X . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O X . . O . O . X . X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . O O X X X O . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . . X X X X O . X X . X X X O . X . |
$$ | . X X X . X O O . O . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . O . O O X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O O O X X X O X X O . O . . . |[/go]
White can't block at a, otherwise Black b. Black gets a picnic ko: either it's a seki and Black gets a free move elsewhere, or Black kills White's corner. Black has local ko threats (take a white liberty).

Hope this is correct.
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Re: Tsumegos from real games

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Problem #30:
This looks like fun. It might work.
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[go]$$Bc Black to play
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X X X X . 3 2 . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | O O X O O X O O 1 . . . . O X O X X . |
$$ | X . O O O O X . . O . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . O O . X O X . X . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O X . . O . O . X . X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . O O X X X O . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . . X X X X O . X X . X X X O . X . |
$$ | . X X X . X O O . O . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . O . O O X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O O O X X X O X X O . O . . . |[/go]
The simple pull back does not work for white:
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[go]$$Bc Black to play
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X X X X 5 3 2 . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | O O X O O X O O 1 6 . . . O X O X X . |
$$ | X . O O O O X . 4 O . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . O O . X O X . X . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O X . . O . O . X . X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . O O X X X O . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . . X X X X O . X X . X X X O . X . |
$$ | . X X X . X O O . O . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . O . O O X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O O O X X X O X X O . O . . . |[/go]
So maybe white tries the counter attack, but leaves the aji at J17
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[go]$$Bc Black to play
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X X X X 5 3 2 0 . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | O O X O O X O O 1 9 . . . O X O X X . |
$$ | X . O O O O X 6 4 O . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . O O . X O X 7 X . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O X . . O . O . X . X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . O O X X X O . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . . X X X X O . X X . X X X O . X . |
$$ | . X X X . X O O . O . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . O . O O X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O O O X X X O X X O . O . . . |[/go]
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[go]$$Bc Black to play
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . O 3 . 6 . 5 4 7 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X X X X X X O O 2 . . . O O O . . |
$$ | O O X O O X O O X X 1 . . O X O X X . |
$$ | X . O O O O X O O O C . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . O O . X O X X X . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O X . . O . O . X . X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . O O X X X O . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . . X X X X O . X X . X X X O . X . |
$$ | . X X X . X O O . O . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . O . O O X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O O O X X X O X X O . O . . . |[/go]
Now it is two kos. I'm not really sure how this ends.
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Re: Tsumegos from real games

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jlt wrote:Katago sees this:
It is a nice one. It is a hard one, at least I think so.

Do you have the answer to this, white is threatening to make an eye so I assume :b5: onward.
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . 3 . 8 . 7 6 9 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X X X X 1 2 0 . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | O O X O O X O O . . . . . O X O X X . |
$$ | X . O O O O X . . O . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . O O . X O X . X . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O X . . O . O . X . X X . . |
$$ | 4 X . . . O O X X X O . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . 5 . X X X X O . X X . X X X O . X . |
$$ | . X X X . X O O . O . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . O . O O X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O O O X X X O X X O . O . . . |[/go]
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Re: Tsumegos from real games

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Why not :b5: at A12 ?
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Re: Tsumegos from real games

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Actually if White makes the exchange a-b first then Black does have to pull back at :b5:
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . 3 . 8 . 7 6 9 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X X X X 1 2 0 . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | O O X O O X O O . . . . . O X O X X . |
$$ | X . O O O O X . . O . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . O O . X O X . X . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O X . . O . O . X . X X . . |
$$ | 4 X a b . O O X X X O . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . 5 . X X X X O . X X . X X X O . X . |
$$ | . X X X . X O O . O . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . O . O O X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O O O X X X O X X O . O . . . |[/go]
This might finish with a seki by double ko (with Black taking sente)? Not absolutely sure.
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Re: Tsumegos from real games

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Yeah getting the 1st line hane.
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . 3 . 0 . 9 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X X X X 1 2 . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | O O X O O X O O . . . . . O X O X X . |
$$ | X . O O O O X . . O . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . O O . X O X . X . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O X . . O . O . X . X X . . |
$$ | 6 X 4 5 . O O X X X O . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . 7 . X X X X O . X X . X X X O . X . |
$$ | . X X X . X O O . O . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . O . O O X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O O O X X X O X X O . O . . . |[/go]
Now black has the hane-capture and this very botty-clamp. I have lost a few capturing races to bots when they pull something like this but I am sort of lost.
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[go]$$Bcm11
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . O . X O 3 . 5 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X X X X X O 1 4 . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | O O X O O X O O 2 . . . . O X O X X . |
$$ | X . O O O O X . . O . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . O O . X O X . X . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O X . . O . O . X . X X . . |
$$ | O X O X . O O X X X O . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . X . X X X X O . X X . X X X O . X . |
$$ | . X X X . X O O . O . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . O . O O X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O O O X X X O X X O . O . . . |[/go]
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Re: Tsumegos from real games

Post by kvasir »

Joaz Banbeck wrote:Problem #30:
The cross cut might fail like this. At least I don't see what to do after white captures :b3:
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[go]$$Bc Black to play
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X X X X 4 3 2 5 8 . . . O O O . . |
$$ | O O X O O X O O 1 . . . . O X O X X . |
$$ | X . O O O O X . 7 O . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . O O . X O X . X . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O X . . O . O . X . X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . O O X X X O . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . . X X X X O . X X . X X X O . X . |
$$ | . X X X . X O O . O . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . O . O O X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O O O X X X O X X O . O . . . |[/go]
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[go]$$Bc Black to play
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X X X X 4 3 2 5 . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | O O X O O X O O 1 7 . . . O X O X X . |
$$ | X . O O O O X 9 8 O . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . O O . X O X . X . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O X 0 . O . O . X . X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . O O X X X O . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . . X X X X O . X X . X X X O . X . |
$$ | . X X X . X O O . O . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . O . O O X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O O O X X X O X X O . O . . . |[/go]
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Re: Tsumegos from real games

Post by Joaz Banbeck »

kvasir wrote:
Joaz Banbeck wrote:Problem #30:
The cross cut might fail like this. At least I don't see what to do after white captures :b3:
...
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[go]$$Bc Black to play
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X X X X 4 3 2 5 . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | O O X O O X O O 1 7 . . . O X O X X . |
$$ | X . O O O O X 9 8 O . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . O O . X O X . X . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O X 0 . O . O . X . X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . O O X X X O . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . . X X X X O . X X . X X X O . X . |
$$ | . X X X . X O O . O . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . O . O O X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O O O X X X O X X O . O . . . |[/go]
Oops. I missed move 10.
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Re: Tsumegos from real games

Post by Harleqin »

I thought this makes the corner alive, but the weakness at 'a' is a bit annoying. Maybe that's the price to pay, though.
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[go]$$Bc Black to play
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O X X X X X . 1 . . . . . . O O O . . |
$$ | O O X O O X O O . . . . . O X O X X . |
$$ | X . O O O O X . . O . . . O X X . . . |
$$ | . O O . X O X . X . O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . O X a . O . O . X . X X . . |
$$ | . X . . . O O X X X O . . . O . O X . |
$$ | . . . X X X X O . X X . X X X O . X . |
$$ | . X X X . X O O . O . . . X O O X . . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O . O . O O X O , O . . |
$$ | . . . . O O O X X X O X X O . O . . . |[/go]
A good system naturally covers all corner cases without further effort.
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Re: Tsumegos from real games

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Problem #31, White to play. Interesting life and death situation on the bottom right.
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O X X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . O O O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . X , X O . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X . . O O X X X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Possible answer:
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O X X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . O O O O O 7 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O X 5 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X X X 6 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X 2 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . 1 . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . X , X O . . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X . . O O X X X X X 3 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . 4 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Black's side group is dead.
The goal of the exchange :w3: :b4: is to avoid sequences such as
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . O X X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . O O O O O 5 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O X 3 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X X X 4 7 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O X O 9 . 8 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X 2 6 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . 1 . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . X , X O . . O O O 0 . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X . . O O X X X X X a . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . . b . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
however White could have made the exchange a-b at anytime.
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Re: Tsumegos from real games

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Problem #32, Black to play.
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[go]$$Bc Black to play
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . O O . . . X O X . . . . |
$$ | . X . X O X X O X . O X X X O O O . . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O O . O . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X O . O . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O X X O . O O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O X X X O X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O . O . O X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . O O O X . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . O X . X . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . X . . . O O . O . X |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . X X . O . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O X , . . . . . , . X . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Answer:
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[go]$$Bc Answer
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X X . . O O . . . X O X 1 . . . |
$$ | . X . X O X X O X . O X X X O O O . . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O O . O . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X O . O . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O X X O . O O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O X X X O X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O . O . O X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . O O O X . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . O X . X . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . X . . . O O . O . X |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . X X . O . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O X , . . . . . , . X . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
In the game I played
S18
My opponent didn't manage to punish
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[go]$$Bc Wrong move
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . 8 . 7 . |
$$ | . . X X X . . O O . . . X O X 5 6 1 4 |
$$ | . X . X O X X O X . O X X X O O O 2 . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O O . O . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X O . O . . X . . . 3 . |
$$ | . . O . . . O X X O . O O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O X X X O X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O . O . O X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . O O O X . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . O X . X . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . X . . . O O . O . X |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . X X . O . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O X , . . . . . , . X . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bc Wrong move
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . . . . a . 6 . 5 . |
$$ | . . X X X . . O O . . . X O X . . 1 4 |
$$ | . X . X O X X O X . O X X X O O O 2 . |
$$ | . . X O O O O X O O . O . . X X X O b |
$$ | . . O . . . . X O . O . . X . . . 3 . |
$$ | . . O . . . O X X O . O O O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O X X X O X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . O . O . O X . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . O . O . . O O O X . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X . X . X X O . |
$$ | . . X X X . . . . O X . X . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . X . . . O O . O . X |
$$ | . . O X X . . . . . . . X X . O . O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O X , . . . . . , . X . |
$$ | . . O . . O . X X . . . X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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